Is it normal for a lithium ion battery to read with a very low voltage on a multimeter?












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I have a PS Vita and I suspect the battery is dead and needs replacing, as the Vita won't charge at all. But the issue could also be the charge circuit, as when plugging it in to charge the charging light doesn't even come on.



I've disassembled the Vita and removed the battery, which is a Sony SP65M 3.7V 2210 mAh Li-ion pack. It has 3 connectors: positive, temperature, and negative.



I suspect that the battery may be damaged from being left discharged for an extended period of time. I'm using a multimeter to measure the voltage across the + and - connectors, and I'm seeing a voltage of 20mV.



Does this mean the battery is dead, or am I jumping to conclusions? Is there any reason why I might see a voltage reading like this on a healthy battery?










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  • 20mV isn't okay there should be completeley drained or fully loaded by the charger itself...
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I have a PS Vita and I suspect the battery is dead and needs replacing, as the Vita won't charge at all. But the issue could also be the charge circuit, as when plugging it in to charge the charging light doesn't even come on.



I've disassembled the Vita and removed the battery, which is a Sony SP65M 3.7V 2210 mAh Li-ion pack. It has 3 connectors: positive, temperature, and negative.



I suspect that the battery may be damaged from being left discharged for an extended period of time. I'm using a multimeter to measure the voltage across the + and - connectors, and I'm seeing a voltage of 20mV.



Does this mean the battery is dead, or am I jumping to conclusions? Is there any reason why I might see a voltage reading like this on a healthy battery?










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I have a PS Vita and I suspect the battery is dead and needs replacing, as the Vita won't charge at all. But the issue could also be the charge circuit, as when plugging it in to charge the charging light doesn't even come on.



I've disassembled the Vita and removed the battery, which is a Sony SP65M 3.7V 2210 mAh Li-ion pack. It has 3 connectors: positive, temperature, and negative.



I suspect that the battery may be damaged from being left discharged for an extended period of time. I'm using a multimeter to measure the voltage across the + and - connectors, and I'm seeing a voltage of 20mV.



Does this mean the battery is dead, or am I jumping to conclusions? Is there any reason why I might see a voltage reading like this on a healthy battery?










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I have a PS Vita and I suspect the battery is dead and needs replacing, as the Vita won't charge at all. But the issue could also be the charge circuit, as when plugging it in to charge the charging light doesn't even come on.



I've disassembled the Vita and removed the battery, which is a Sony SP65M 3.7V 2210 mAh Li-ion pack. It has 3 connectors: positive, temperature, and negative.



I suspect that the battery may be damaged from being left discharged for an extended period of time. I'm using a multimeter to measure the voltage across the + and - connectors, and I'm seeing a voltage of 20mV.



Does this mean the battery is dead, or am I jumping to conclusions? Is there any reason why I might see a voltage reading like this on a healthy battery?







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  • 20mV isn't okay there should be completeley drained or fully loaded by the charger itself...
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  • 20mV isn't okay there should be completeley drained or fully loaded by the charger itself...
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20mV isn't okay there should be completeley drained or fully loaded by the charger itself...
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20mV isn't okay there should be completeley drained or fully loaded by the charger itself...
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Almost any charging circuit for Lithium batteries has a low voltage protection built in. This will protect against charging dead batteries (which might overheat) and this also inhibits enabling the charger when no battery is present.



I have been faced with such a situation myself several times: the voltage of the battery (NiMH, LiOn, etc) was too low for the charger to work. I have succeeded in most cases to jump-start the system - in some cases the battery was really dead.



What I do is to charge the battery using a current limited voltage supply. I limit the current to less than 1/10th of the rated capacity of the battery (about 200mA in your case), and I charge about 10 minutes and monitor the voltage using a voltmeter. If the voltage is not high enough after 10 minutes, I'll continue to charge as long as the measured voltage at rest is increasing.
I'll set the voltage to something low to start (1V) and limit the current as indicated.



Once the voltage is high enough, I put it back in the original system and I check that it is charging. If not, I may continue to charge it outside the system until the voltage is higher. For Lithium batteries, 2.5V should be sufficient for the original charger to be happy (which is of course a guess), usually it is lower.



I also have a charger which will charge any type of battery according to the set program. This allows me to charge the battery in a controlled manner. It also has a low battery safety protection so I still need to pre-charge the empty battery before. But it starts charging at a pretty low voltage and it clearly reports the charging error on its LCD which is convenient. Such a charger allows you to charge a battery completely before putting it back into the original system.



WARNING: You must monitor the charging while you are doing this. If the battery heats up or is building up gas internally: stop trying to recover it. If there is a risk that you forget monitoring it: use a timed wall plug, set multiple alarms (phone, PC, ...) to make sure that you check on your system.
When possible I put the battery in a box and I put a transparent lid on it. I did not have any problem yet, but in case it leaks or "explodes", there is at least some protection. If it does leak for any reason -protect yourself from the chemicals and dispose of the battery in a controlled manner.






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    Almost any charging circuit for Lithium batteries has a low voltage protection built in. This will protect against charging dead batteries (which might overheat) and this also inhibits enabling the charger when no battery is present.



    I have been faced with such a situation myself several times: the voltage of the battery (NiMH, LiOn, etc) was too low for the charger to work. I have succeeded in most cases to jump-start the system - in some cases the battery was really dead.



    What I do is to charge the battery using a current limited voltage supply. I limit the current to less than 1/10th of the rated capacity of the battery (about 200mA in your case), and I charge about 10 minutes and monitor the voltage using a voltmeter. If the voltage is not high enough after 10 minutes, I'll continue to charge as long as the measured voltage at rest is increasing.
    I'll set the voltage to something low to start (1V) and limit the current as indicated.



    Once the voltage is high enough, I put it back in the original system and I check that it is charging. If not, I may continue to charge it outside the system until the voltage is higher. For Lithium batteries, 2.5V should be sufficient for the original charger to be happy (which is of course a guess), usually it is lower.



    I also have a charger which will charge any type of battery according to the set program. This allows me to charge the battery in a controlled manner. It also has a low battery safety protection so I still need to pre-charge the empty battery before. But it starts charging at a pretty low voltage and it clearly reports the charging error on its LCD which is convenient. Such a charger allows you to charge a battery completely before putting it back into the original system.



    WARNING: You must monitor the charging while you are doing this. If the battery heats up or is building up gas internally: stop trying to recover it. If there is a risk that you forget monitoring it: use a timed wall plug, set multiple alarms (phone, PC, ...) to make sure that you check on your system.
    When possible I put the battery in a box and I put a transparent lid on it. I did not have any problem yet, but in case it leaks or "explodes", there is at least some protection. If it does leak for any reason -protect yourself from the chemicals and dispose of the battery in a controlled manner.






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      Almost any charging circuit for Lithium batteries has a low voltage protection built in. This will protect against charging dead batteries (which might overheat) and this also inhibits enabling the charger when no battery is present.



      I have been faced with such a situation myself several times: the voltage of the battery (NiMH, LiOn, etc) was too low for the charger to work. I have succeeded in most cases to jump-start the system - in some cases the battery was really dead.



      What I do is to charge the battery using a current limited voltage supply. I limit the current to less than 1/10th of the rated capacity of the battery (about 200mA in your case), and I charge about 10 minutes and monitor the voltage using a voltmeter. If the voltage is not high enough after 10 minutes, I'll continue to charge as long as the measured voltage at rest is increasing.
      I'll set the voltage to something low to start (1V) and limit the current as indicated.



      Once the voltage is high enough, I put it back in the original system and I check that it is charging. If not, I may continue to charge it outside the system until the voltage is higher. For Lithium batteries, 2.5V should be sufficient for the original charger to be happy (which is of course a guess), usually it is lower.



      I also have a charger which will charge any type of battery according to the set program. This allows me to charge the battery in a controlled manner. It also has a low battery safety protection so I still need to pre-charge the empty battery before. But it starts charging at a pretty low voltage and it clearly reports the charging error on its LCD which is convenient. Such a charger allows you to charge a battery completely before putting it back into the original system.



      WARNING: You must monitor the charging while you are doing this. If the battery heats up or is building up gas internally: stop trying to recover it. If there is a risk that you forget monitoring it: use a timed wall plug, set multiple alarms (phone, PC, ...) to make sure that you check on your system.
      When possible I put the battery in a box and I put a transparent lid on it. I did not have any problem yet, but in case it leaks or "explodes", there is at least some protection. If it does leak for any reason -protect yourself from the chemicals and dispose of the battery in a controlled manner.






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        Almost any charging circuit for Lithium batteries has a low voltage protection built in. This will protect against charging dead batteries (which might overheat) and this also inhibits enabling the charger when no battery is present.



        I have been faced with such a situation myself several times: the voltage of the battery (NiMH, LiOn, etc) was too low for the charger to work. I have succeeded in most cases to jump-start the system - in some cases the battery was really dead.



        What I do is to charge the battery using a current limited voltage supply. I limit the current to less than 1/10th of the rated capacity of the battery (about 200mA in your case), and I charge about 10 minutes and monitor the voltage using a voltmeter. If the voltage is not high enough after 10 minutes, I'll continue to charge as long as the measured voltage at rest is increasing.
        I'll set the voltage to something low to start (1V) and limit the current as indicated.



        Once the voltage is high enough, I put it back in the original system and I check that it is charging. If not, I may continue to charge it outside the system until the voltage is higher. For Lithium batteries, 2.5V should be sufficient for the original charger to be happy (which is of course a guess), usually it is lower.



        I also have a charger which will charge any type of battery according to the set program. This allows me to charge the battery in a controlled manner. It also has a low battery safety protection so I still need to pre-charge the empty battery before. But it starts charging at a pretty low voltage and it clearly reports the charging error on its LCD which is convenient. Such a charger allows you to charge a battery completely before putting it back into the original system.



        WARNING: You must monitor the charging while you are doing this. If the battery heats up or is building up gas internally: stop trying to recover it. If there is a risk that you forget monitoring it: use a timed wall plug, set multiple alarms (phone, PC, ...) to make sure that you check on your system.
        When possible I put the battery in a box and I put a transparent lid on it. I did not have any problem yet, but in case it leaks or "explodes", there is at least some protection. If it does leak for any reason -protect yourself from the chemicals and dispose of the battery in a controlled manner.






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        Almost any charging circuit for Lithium batteries has a low voltage protection built in. This will protect against charging dead batteries (which might overheat) and this also inhibits enabling the charger when no battery is present.



        I have been faced with such a situation myself several times: the voltage of the battery (NiMH, LiOn, etc) was too low for the charger to work. I have succeeded in most cases to jump-start the system - in some cases the battery was really dead.



        What I do is to charge the battery using a current limited voltage supply. I limit the current to less than 1/10th of the rated capacity of the battery (about 200mA in your case), and I charge about 10 minutes and monitor the voltage using a voltmeter. If the voltage is not high enough after 10 minutes, I'll continue to charge as long as the measured voltage at rest is increasing.
        I'll set the voltage to something low to start (1V) and limit the current as indicated.



        Once the voltage is high enough, I put it back in the original system and I check that it is charging. If not, I may continue to charge it outside the system until the voltage is higher. For Lithium batteries, 2.5V should be sufficient for the original charger to be happy (which is of course a guess), usually it is lower.



        I also have a charger which will charge any type of battery according to the set program. This allows me to charge the battery in a controlled manner. It also has a low battery safety protection so I still need to pre-charge the empty battery before. But it starts charging at a pretty low voltage and it clearly reports the charging error on its LCD which is convenient. Such a charger allows you to charge a battery completely before putting it back into the original system.



        WARNING: You must monitor the charging while you are doing this. If the battery heats up or is building up gas internally: stop trying to recover it. If there is a risk that you forget monitoring it: use a timed wall plug, set multiple alarms (phone, PC, ...) to make sure that you check on your system.
        When possible I put the battery in a box and I put a transparent lid on it. I did not have any problem yet, but in case it leaks or "explodes", there is at least some protection. If it does leak for any reason -protect yourself from the chemicals and dispose of the battery in a controlled manner.







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