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I have experienced the carelessness of the government bureaucrats. The assurance of them not losing their jobs no matter what, makes them behave utterly careless (at least in India, say in a Municipality office).



Why are public institutions perceived as being inefficient? Maybe they are not, maybe it just appears to be so.










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    We already got a question about minimizing corruption in civil service, so answering this again would be redundant. But I don't think that we have a question which addresses non-malicious inefficiency in public administration, so I edited the question to just keep those parts.
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    The correct answer to this question is a critique of statism and the problem of public goods, which is an economic issue and will be tolerated much better in an environment where people answering the question are not making endless excuses to defend the state.
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    First question is : Are they? (in general. Sure we can point at specific instances of inefficency) In connection with this question, it's worth noting there are huge vested interests promoting the view that they are.
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    I think this would be better with an india tag or something. As a Swede, I don't recognize any of these points you mention in the comment about corruption, having to pay people, red-tape etc. For example, I don't think the best-voted answer at this time covers any of this.
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I have experienced the carelessness of the government bureaucrats. The assurance of them not losing their jobs no matter what, makes them behave utterly careless (at least in India, say in a Municipality office).



Why are public institutions perceived as being inefficient? Maybe they are not, maybe it just appears to be so.










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    We already got a question about minimizing corruption in civil service, so answering this again would be redundant. But I don't think that we have a question which addresses non-malicious inefficiency in public administration, so I edited the question to just keep those parts.
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    The correct answer to this question is a critique of statism and the problem of public goods, which is an economic issue and will be tolerated much better in an environment where people answering the question are not making endless excuses to defend the state.
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    First question is : Are they? (in general. Sure we can point at specific instances of inefficency) In connection with this question, it's worth noting there are huge vested interests promoting the view that they are.
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    I think this would be better with an india tag or something. As a Swede, I don't recognize any of these points you mention in the comment about corruption, having to pay people, red-tape etc. For example, I don't think the best-voted answer at this time covers any of this.
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I have experienced the carelessness of the government bureaucrats. The assurance of them not losing their jobs no matter what, makes them behave utterly careless (at least in India, say in a Municipality office).



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    We already got a question about minimizing corruption in civil service, so answering this again would be redundant. But I don't think that we have a question which addresses non-malicious inefficiency in public administration, so I edited the question to just keep those parts.
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    Dec 31 '18 at 0:56






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    Migrate to economics?
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    The correct answer to this question is a critique of statism and the problem of public goods, which is an economic issue and will be tolerated much better in an environment where people answering the question are not making endless excuses to defend the state.
    – JacobIRR
    2 days ago






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    First question is : Are they? (in general. Sure we can point at specific instances of inefficency) In connection with this question, it's worth noting there are huge vested interests promoting the view that they are.
    – Brian Drummond
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    I think this would be better with an india tag or something. As a Swede, I don't recognize any of these points you mention in the comment about corruption, having to pay people, red-tape etc. For example, I don't think the best-voted answer at this time covers any of this.
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    We already got a question about minimizing corruption in civil service, so answering this again would be redundant. But I don't think that we have a question which addresses non-malicious inefficiency in public administration, so I edited the question to just keep those parts.
    – Philipp
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:56






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    Migrate to economics?
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    The correct answer to this question is a critique of statism and the problem of public goods, which is an economic issue and will be tolerated much better in an environment where people answering the question are not making endless excuses to defend the state.
    – JacobIRR
    2 days ago






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    First question is : Are they? (in general. Sure we can point at specific instances of inefficency) In connection with this question, it's worth noting there are huge vested interests promoting the view that they are.
    – Brian Drummond
    yesterday






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    I think this would be better with an india tag or something. As a Swede, I don't recognize any of these points you mention in the comment about corruption, having to pay people, red-tape etc. For example, I don't think the best-voted answer at this time covers any of this.
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We already got a question about minimizing corruption in civil service, so answering this again would be redundant. But I don't think that we have a question which addresses non-malicious inefficiency in public administration, so I edited the question to just keep those parts.
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We already got a question about minimizing corruption in civil service, so answering this again would be redundant. But I don't think that we have a question which addresses non-malicious inefficiency in public administration, so I edited the question to just keep those parts.
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The correct answer to this question is a critique of statism and the problem of public goods, which is an economic issue and will be tolerated much better in an environment where people answering the question are not making endless excuses to defend the state.
– JacobIRR
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The correct answer to this question is a critique of statism and the problem of public goods, which is an economic issue and will be tolerated much better in an environment where people answering the question are not making endless excuses to defend the state.
– JacobIRR
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First question is : Are they? (in general. Sure we can point at specific instances of inefficency) In connection with this question, it's worth noting there are huge vested interests promoting the view that they are.
– Brian Drummond
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First question is : Are they? (in general. Sure we can point at specific instances of inefficency) In connection with this question, it's worth noting there are huge vested interests promoting the view that they are.
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I think this would be better with an india tag or something. As a Swede, I don't recognize any of these points you mention in the comment about corruption, having to pay people, red-tape etc. For example, I don't think the best-voted answer at this time covers any of this.
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I think this would be better with an india tag or something. As a Swede, I don't recognize any of these points you mention in the comment about corruption, having to pay people, red-tape etc. For example, I don't think the best-voted answer at this time covers any of this.
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There is no one answer because some agencies are more efficient than others.



For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims than private insurance companies are at the same task. Medicare devotes just 1.4% of expenditures for administrative costs (a more skeptical analysis that used a broader definition of administrative costs came up with 5.2%), with the rest of its funds going towards payment of claims, while private health insurers devote 11%-20% of their expenditures to administrative costs, leaving a smaller share of its resources to pay claims. See also here ("Medicare outperforms private sector plans in terms of patients' satisfaction with quality of care, access to care, and overall insurance ratings.") and here (health care spending goes down while service utilization is unchanged when an average person transitions from private health insurance to Medicare). You can argue that Medicare is able to do that, in part, because by having a policy of paying the prevailing insurance company negotiated price of any provider that it is free riding on costs incurred by private insurance companies to negotiate lower prices with providers, but certainly, Medicare dispenses with significant expenditures associated with advertising and executive compensation that private insurance companies must pay that it need not. Less obviously, Medicare claims processing is more efficient because every medical provider processes lots of Medicare clams and learns how to do it correctly, while a medical provider may process claims from a smaller health insurer only sporadically.



Similarly, Social Security is more efficient in its administration of benefits dispersal than than almost any private sector retirement plan (which average 1.5% to 1.8% administrative fees) in existence. Annuities, the closest private sector analogy to Social Security, have particular high administrative fees (on average 2.3%).



Social Security may not maximize investment return (not so much because it couldn't, lots of states have public employees retirement systems that do so at a quite low administrative cost, as because it is mandated by law to invest in Treasury securities and nothing else, the safest investment in existence often operationally treated by economists as the risk free rate of return), but this is, in part, to provide maximum security when markets fail (Social Security was devised after the collapse of financial markets that led to the Great Depression left many people who had saved diligently all their lives penniless.) Social security isn't just an investment, it is insurance against other investments turning out poorly when bear markets destroy investment wealth.



The U.S. Department of Education took over direct servicing of student loans because that turned out to be more efficient than what the private sector was doing. As Wikipedia explains, the system was put in place, while "[g]uaranteed loans—loans originated and funded by private lenders but guaranteed by the government—were eliminated because of a perception that they benefited private student loan companies at the expense of taxpayers, but did not help reduce costs for students."



In general, government agencies can be very efficient at handling large volumes of administrative paperwork involving large numbers of small individual cases as the examples above illustrate, in part, due to economies of scale.



Also, in some cases, it is hard to compare because there is no close private sector counterpart. One could say that the U.S. Department of Defense is very inefficient (and no one seriously disputes that there are many ways it could be made significantly more efficient even though the magnitude of potential savings varies greatly), but there is no private sector counterpart running the largest military force in the world by many measures. One could try to compare, for example, the efficiency of military defense procurement projects done by private companies under contract with the government to private sector manufacturing enterprises of other kinds, like automobile manufacturers. But, private sector manufacturing is arguably under pressure to achieve very different objectives - the best possible outcome at an affordable price, rather than the best possible outcome at any price because failing means the end of civilization as we know it.



There are also areas where there is considerable private sector competition with public sector institutions, providing a means of comparison, but the public sector institutions aren't notably better or worse in efficiency than the private sector counterparts and both are equally inefficient. There is a good case to be made that this is true of schools, colleges, universities, and hospitals ("5 studies reveal that public and not-for-profit hospitals are more efficient than those in private ownership. One study concludes the opposite, and 2 could not demonstrate any significant differences between the different hospital ownerships."). (Although per student or per degree costs of community college programs in the public sector are much lower for better outcomes than their private sector counterparts despite low rates of government subsidies per student than any other form of public higher education).



There is likewise no compelling evidence that private prisons are run more efficiently, controlling for the makeup of the prisoners supervised, than public prisons.



Similarly, there are private sector businesses that are very inefficient and dysfunctional, often because they don't face much competition. The cable company is a private company, but has a monopoly franchise in any given place for an extended time period (because it is a "natural monopoly", or at least used to be one), and unsurprisingly it has poor customer service and lots of inefficiencies and mismanagement that is allowed to persist. In addition to utilities, companies with patents (e.g. drug companies) can sometimes be inefficient because they have government monopolies. Indeed, one of the justifications for patents is that they are necessary to allow something inefficient (research and development that will often not pan out) to be conducted.



Certainly, this isn't to say that there are no areas where the private sector does not get the job done better and cheaper than the public sector. But, even in those cases, this isn't universal. Some countries, like France and Sweden, do a particularly good job of public administration (anecdotal evidence here). Indeed, the most prestigious university in all of France is a school for public administrators. Other countries, like the U.S., are worse at public administration, such as Italy.



But, as these examples illustrate, there is no one compelling reason.



Probably the most powerful reason that the private sector is sometimes better than the public sector comes from countries with many state-owned enterprises. Comparisons in those cases indicate that the single greatest factor is that money-losing private businesses promptly go out of business or are reorganized in bankruptcy, while deficits in state-owned enterprises are often subsidized and keeping them in business for a long time. (Also, some state owned enterprises are intentionally inefficient as a means of providing political patronage).



The fact that government institutions don't automatically shut down when they cease to be profitable as currently organized is sometimes a feature, rather than a flaw, however. Half of all private businesses fail within their first five years. Government institutions are frequently established to provide services that cannot for practical reasons, or should not, for moral reasons, be discontinued.



For example, while in Japan and the Netherlands (both places where space is at a premium), public sensibilities are O.K. with tossing human remains in a dumpster if the surviving family fails to pay an annual cemetery bill, in the U.S., cemetery administration is often vested in a government because the time horizon over which we expect that it will continue to need to be maintained is infinite.



Similarly, you don't want to nuclear waste disposal facility to just shut down and have its employees all laid off because fees from new waste deposits no longer cover its operating costs, even if the problem arose because an incompetent nuclear waste facility administrator a decade ago underestimated how long it would cost to keep the facility open in what was supposed to be a self-supporting enterprise.



We want water and sewer systems, the military, law enforcement agencies, historical archives, the courts, real estate record keeping, a school for the deaf, and the like to continue indefinitely, even if this eliminates one of the easier ways to control inefficiency, by shutting down inefficient institutions entirely. Government ownership is often an alternative to utility regulation for natural monopolies that must also endure in the long run.



When shutting down inefficient institutions entirely isn't an option, you look for alternative solutions like developing strong audit and oversight institutions with the power to bring about change when an institution operates inefficiently.



Amtrak exists, for better or worse, because somebody in government decided in 1971 that the United States needed at least one passenger rail company when all of them were going bankrupt and all of the infrastructure involved in once private passenger rail system was at risk of going to waste. There are legitimate reasons to say that maybe the United States doesn't actually need a slow speed passenger rail system using 1960s technology. But, once somebody has decided that the service must be provided even though it doesn't make economic sense to do so, it is impossible to run that service in an efficient manner.






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    "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
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    Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
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    The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
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    @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
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    "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
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President Obama gave a speech at Carnegie Mellon in 2016 where he responded a bit to the idea that government should be run more like a Silicon Valley business, which often comes up when government efficiency is mentioned:




The final thing I’ll say is that government will never run the way Silicon Valley runs because, by definition, democracy is messy. This is a big, diverse country with a lot of interests and a lot of disparate points of view. And part of government’s job, by the way, is dealing with problems that nobody else wants to deal with.



So sometimes I talk to CEOs, they come in and they start telling me about leadership, and here’s how we do things. And I say, well, if all I was doing was making a widget or producing an app, and I didn’t have to worry about whether poor people could afford the widget, or I didn’t have to worry about whether the app had some unintended consequences -- setting aside my Syria and Yemen portfolio -- then I think those suggestions are terrific. (Laughter and applause.) That's not, by the way, to say that there aren't huge efficiencies and improvements that have to be made.



But the reason I say this is sometimes we get, I think, in the scientific community, the tech community, the entrepreneurial community, the sense of we just have to blow up the system, or create this parallel society and culture because government is inherently wrecked. No, it's not inherently wrecked; it's just government has to care for, for example, veterans who come home. That's not on your balance sheet, that's on our collective balance sheet, because we have a sacred duty to take care of those veterans. And that's hard and it's messy, and we're building up legacy systems that we can't just blow up.




Government has to be for everyone, in a way that private businesses generally don't deal with. If you're entitled to social security, you get social security, even if you live in a remote community, don't speak English, and are incapable of managing your own affairs. A private investment plan would likely determine that you're not an economically worthwhile customer to serve. Social security sets up a small resident station, arranges access to interpreters, and appoints a representative payee.



As another example, the federal voter registration form says that, if you don't have a home address or are homeless, you can literally draw a map of your residence on the voter registration form, indicating nearby landmarks. That's not something that fits neatly into any database. Some poor clerk has to decipher your map and figure out which voting districts you live in. Plenty of private businesses will just refuse to serve you unless you have an address, a phone number, email, etc... That's not an option for the government.



Efficiency is inherently different in government. An app developer might decide to withdraw support for an old version of an operating system, because losing 2% of legacy users is worth the cost of not having to support the old version. The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them; it has to provide some path that works.






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  • To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
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    "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
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    This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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Just like anything else, most things humans do arise out of incentives.




  • A private company employee has incentive to be efficient because if they are not, their manager has incentives to fire them, and replace them with a more efficient employee.


  • A private company manager has incentive to do that because efficiency has direct impact on productivity and/or customer satisfaction; both of which have direct impact on revenues; due to competition (a low-productivity producer must charge more leading to customers picking competing product; unsatisfied customer can also chose competing product).


  • A private company manager has incentive to care about revenues because on the upside, if revenues are higher, they get better pay; and promotions; whereas on the downside, if revenues are sufficiently lower, they get fired in layoffs; or in worst case, company goes under and everyone loses their job.



Now, compare that to public institution. Those institutions are characterized by 3 features:





  • Monopoly and lack of competition.



    If you as a customer do not like the product or a service offered by a public institution, you are typically S.O.L. There is usually no competing product or service being offered; due to a government rule, law or mandate. You cannot choose to get a driving ID from a private company if your motor vehicle department works poorly or demands bribes. You cannot have your house improvements certified by a private inspection company, you have to wait for a never-in-a-hurry government bureaucrat to do that.



    Or, the service or product has barriers to entry too high, due to scarce resources. For example, water delivery requires physical pipes, so a private company would be unlikely to be able to do this at a competing price. Ironically, this isn't unique to public institutions - same problems caused the rise of landline phone monopolies earlier and wired Internet service provider monopolies nowadays.



    Or, in case of some services, the competing private ones cost too much for the poor; and government one is the only available option within near-free price range (as the service is subsidized by government budget).




  • No need to ensure revenue.



    Revenues for public institutions are generated by forcing taxpayers to pay taxes and allocating government revenue by the government out of that. As such, there is no direct impact on revenues from quality of service or product; or productivity[1].



    [1] - one could argue there is an indirect impact in that poor service/product may lead to lower overall economic growth which leads to lower tax revenues down the line. But that is way way too indirect to matter in this case.




  • Employee incomes are not correlated with efficiency.



    If you work better at a private company, you have a chance of being paid more (performance bonuses, pay raises) - see the incentive structure above. At a public institution, they pay is typically very static, with no performance impact on compensation.




  • In some cases, it's impossible or difficult to fire poor performers, even if the institution and its managers would want that.



    First, there are unions. At least in USA, public institutions are far far far more heavily unionized than private ones. Second, there are rules about firing people in public institutions, as the employer is "government".








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    Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
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    I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
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    "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
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    Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
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    @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
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Others have noted the issues with incentives and competition, but there is actually another reason, which is dis-economies of scale.



Back in 1937 economist Ronald Coase asked the deceptively simple question: "why do companies exist?". He reasoned that if the open market was the most efficient way of getting things done then firms (i.e. companies with lots of employees) shouldn't exist; the economy would consist entirely of individual contractors. However firms do exist, and different markets seem to favour different sizes of firms. This led him to set out his "theory of the firm".



As a company grows it can exploit economies of scale; if you make 100 widgets a week it costs $2/widget, but if you can make 1,000 widgets a week you can reduce the cost to $1.90/widget by increasing automation, using your staff in more specialised roles that require less training, getting bulk discounts on your inputs, and so on. Hence in the widget business companies grow or go out of business; the company making only 100 widgets/week is not going to be able to compete with the one making 1,000/week.



So why isn't the economy dominated by a single giant monopoly in everything? The answer is that increasing scale brings dis-economies:




  • Coordination becomes more difficult. The guy on the factory floor may realise that screw No. 7 is difficult to get in, but that information doesn't get back to the design department where it could be fixed.


  • New products take longer to bring out because of the work required to retool and reskill the production line.


  • Employees no longer need to work hard to "succeed". Instead they are given targets and can relax once these are achieved. Their managers have no incentive to make these targets a real challenge because then they would be seen as failing too. This disincentive goes all the way from the bottom to the top, which is why so many CEOs pocket big bonuses for lack-lustre performance.


  • Some middle managers also play empire-building games, seek to undermine each other, and generally mess up the efficiency of the company.



So in any industry there is an optimum point where the economies of scale due to additional growth are matched by the dis-economies. Companies in this industry will tend towards this size.



Now consider the government. Its size is fixed by the size of the country and the list of jobs it does (which in turn is set by law). It is probably the biggest organization in the country, doing a vast range of different jobs under very variable circumstances.



So on one hand there are likely to be huge dis-economies of scale where it does jobs, such as running lots of small offices, or schools, which would be more efficient if done by a small organisation.



On the other hand it is also likely to behave in ways that prevent economies of scale, for instance running lots of small local schools instead of one big one with a fleet of buses.






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    Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
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  • @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
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I've worked at both private and public institutions. Neither seem significantly more or less efficient than the other - there's tons of waste in private institutions but people don't seem to care about that as much.






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    people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
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    @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
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  • @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
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  • Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
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  • @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
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Public institutions are inefficient because they are removed from the natural market place.
They don't have any competition. Private businesses must be efficient to succeed in a free enterprise market economy. When you have a monopoly on any good or service there's zero motivating factors to increase efficiency.
Also add the bureaucratic attitude that all government agencies inherently have, which is a need and desire to spend all allocated funds or risk a reduction in those funds in the following year; combined with a tenor based, versus a productivity based, pay scale and you have a tasty recipe for low productivity.






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    While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
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    @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
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    Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
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    @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
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    @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
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You're asking a political question, but the answer is simple economics. Put simply, what you are seeing is a feature of Monopolies, not Governments.



Your stereotypical company with competitors has a limit to how incompetent it can be. Past a certain point, enough customers will use their competitors and they will go out of business.



Even in a world where its pretty much random how efficient or how incompetent each different organization is, you'd expect to see survivorship bias. Simply, competitive companies can die, so the worst will do so. You're only seeing the survivors, and to you that looks like competence and efficiency by comparison.



When an organization doesn't have any competitors, that's called a "monopoly". Since their customers have no choice (other than not getting the service at all), this organization plays by different rules. The inefficiency that many have come to associate with Government agencies typically is a feature of the fact that they are inherently monopolies.



Anyone familiar with large private utility monopolies can tell you they tend to behave the same way as government agencies. There is no danger to the organization if you aren't happy with your service, and so there's nothing really stopping anyone from treating you badly, other than personal initiative. Some monopolies are better, some are worse, but of course its the worse ones you really remember.






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    Private companies and institutions fill a need where there is profit available.



    So what happens when there is an overwhelming, moral or otherwise important need that does not stand to enrich private investors? What happens when profiteering from the need and misery of others is considered immoral?



    The government or other public institutions step in because government, ultimately, is supposed to serve the needs of the citizens as a priority.



    Do we know that government can't make a bigger profit or be more efficient in areas that are more easily profitable? No, but since those needs are often adequately being served by private enterprises, there is no need for the government to step in or meddle in those areas, and they don't wade in to those areas in non-socialist economies.



    So, for those who are short-sighted enough to only look at profit/loss in assessing the value of a process or entity, they are going to see a lot more profitable services being filled by private entities, and more guaranteed money-pits being run by the government.



    A better measure, perhaps, is whether competitive profit is the best determining factor for filling a need. I want a better, faster, fancier car, cell phone, computer? Sure, I can shop and choose and the market will sort that out.



    Difficult to make a "market choice" if you are deathly ill, have a rare or poorly understood disorder, or need life-saving treatment or medication. When the "choice" is "pay whatever we choose to demand or die" the consumer really doesn't have much in the way of options or ability to vote via shopping, if you want to take health care as an example.



    If our nation is at war, are we going to let the "market" determine which arms our soldiers use via equipment failures on the battlefield? No, so government pays a steep premium for up-front rigorous specification and quality controls and chooses a single winning contractor as the standard, and will wind up throwing money far beyond the original price tag to fill a need.



    Government services, generally, are driven by service, first, profit last. In the for-profit world, companies will balance service vs profit, and will give the least service they can before it becomes a losing proposition in terms of consumer choice.



    Anyone who tells you that government would be able to do everything better is probably more than a little naive. The same is also true for those who believe that greed and profit is automatically the best choice for all situations.






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      Public institutions are by definition inefficient. Efficiency is an economic term describing profitability. Public institutions are definitionally irrational. Rational market agents maximise profits. Definitionally public institutions reflect the State’s will. The State’s will is not profit maximisation: minimally the state must maintain a monopoly of force which is in contradiction to profit maximisation.



      Assuming a democratic state where institutions perfectly reflect the public will, workplace democracy is incompatible with this. Sectional wills aren’t equivalent to the total will. Local democracies aren’t identical with the democratic state.



      Would workplace democracy in an efficient workplace reduce inequality? Is workplace democracy profit maximisation?



      I believe you’re gesturing at post-capitalist economic relations and the question of calculating the extent to which chosen economics (“planning” “workplace democracy”) produces the desired quantity of the good things in life with the least objectionable labour.






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        Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
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      • And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
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      There is no one answer because some agencies are more efficient than others.



      For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims than private insurance companies are at the same task. Medicare devotes just 1.4% of expenditures for administrative costs (a more skeptical analysis that used a broader definition of administrative costs came up with 5.2%), with the rest of its funds going towards payment of claims, while private health insurers devote 11%-20% of their expenditures to administrative costs, leaving a smaller share of its resources to pay claims. See also here ("Medicare outperforms private sector plans in terms of patients' satisfaction with quality of care, access to care, and overall insurance ratings.") and here (health care spending goes down while service utilization is unchanged when an average person transitions from private health insurance to Medicare). You can argue that Medicare is able to do that, in part, because by having a policy of paying the prevailing insurance company negotiated price of any provider that it is free riding on costs incurred by private insurance companies to negotiate lower prices with providers, but certainly, Medicare dispenses with significant expenditures associated with advertising and executive compensation that private insurance companies must pay that it need not. Less obviously, Medicare claims processing is more efficient because every medical provider processes lots of Medicare clams and learns how to do it correctly, while a medical provider may process claims from a smaller health insurer only sporadically.



      Similarly, Social Security is more efficient in its administration of benefits dispersal than than almost any private sector retirement plan (which average 1.5% to 1.8% administrative fees) in existence. Annuities, the closest private sector analogy to Social Security, have particular high administrative fees (on average 2.3%).



      Social Security may not maximize investment return (not so much because it couldn't, lots of states have public employees retirement systems that do so at a quite low administrative cost, as because it is mandated by law to invest in Treasury securities and nothing else, the safest investment in existence often operationally treated by economists as the risk free rate of return), but this is, in part, to provide maximum security when markets fail (Social Security was devised after the collapse of financial markets that led to the Great Depression left many people who had saved diligently all their lives penniless.) Social security isn't just an investment, it is insurance against other investments turning out poorly when bear markets destroy investment wealth.



      The U.S. Department of Education took over direct servicing of student loans because that turned out to be more efficient than what the private sector was doing. As Wikipedia explains, the system was put in place, while "[g]uaranteed loans—loans originated and funded by private lenders but guaranteed by the government—were eliminated because of a perception that they benefited private student loan companies at the expense of taxpayers, but did not help reduce costs for students."



      In general, government agencies can be very efficient at handling large volumes of administrative paperwork involving large numbers of small individual cases as the examples above illustrate, in part, due to economies of scale.



      Also, in some cases, it is hard to compare because there is no close private sector counterpart. One could say that the U.S. Department of Defense is very inefficient (and no one seriously disputes that there are many ways it could be made significantly more efficient even though the magnitude of potential savings varies greatly), but there is no private sector counterpart running the largest military force in the world by many measures. One could try to compare, for example, the efficiency of military defense procurement projects done by private companies under contract with the government to private sector manufacturing enterprises of other kinds, like automobile manufacturers. But, private sector manufacturing is arguably under pressure to achieve very different objectives - the best possible outcome at an affordable price, rather than the best possible outcome at any price because failing means the end of civilization as we know it.



      There are also areas where there is considerable private sector competition with public sector institutions, providing a means of comparison, but the public sector institutions aren't notably better or worse in efficiency than the private sector counterparts and both are equally inefficient. There is a good case to be made that this is true of schools, colleges, universities, and hospitals ("5 studies reveal that public and not-for-profit hospitals are more efficient than those in private ownership. One study concludes the opposite, and 2 could not demonstrate any significant differences between the different hospital ownerships."). (Although per student or per degree costs of community college programs in the public sector are much lower for better outcomes than their private sector counterparts despite low rates of government subsidies per student than any other form of public higher education).



      There is likewise no compelling evidence that private prisons are run more efficiently, controlling for the makeup of the prisoners supervised, than public prisons.



      Similarly, there are private sector businesses that are very inefficient and dysfunctional, often because they don't face much competition. The cable company is a private company, but has a monopoly franchise in any given place for an extended time period (because it is a "natural monopoly", or at least used to be one), and unsurprisingly it has poor customer service and lots of inefficiencies and mismanagement that is allowed to persist. In addition to utilities, companies with patents (e.g. drug companies) can sometimes be inefficient because they have government monopolies. Indeed, one of the justifications for patents is that they are necessary to allow something inefficient (research and development that will often not pan out) to be conducted.



      Certainly, this isn't to say that there are no areas where the private sector does not get the job done better and cheaper than the public sector. But, even in those cases, this isn't universal. Some countries, like France and Sweden, do a particularly good job of public administration (anecdotal evidence here). Indeed, the most prestigious university in all of France is a school for public administrators. Other countries, like the U.S., are worse at public administration, such as Italy.



      But, as these examples illustrate, there is no one compelling reason.



      Probably the most powerful reason that the private sector is sometimes better than the public sector comes from countries with many state-owned enterprises. Comparisons in those cases indicate that the single greatest factor is that money-losing private businesses promptly go out of business or are reorganized in bankruptcy, while deficits in state-owned enterprises are often subsidized and keeping them in business for a long time. (Also, some state owned enterprises are intentionally inefficient as a means of providing political patronage).



      The fact that government institutions don't automatically shut down when they cease to be profitable as currently organized is sometimes a feature, rather than a flaw, however. Half of all private businesses fail within their first five years. Government institutions are frequently established to provide services that cannot for practical reasons, or should not, for moral reasons, be discontinued.



      For example, while in Japan and the Netherlands (both places where space is at a premium), public sensibilities are O.K. with tossing human remains in a dumpster if the surviving family fails to pay an annual cemetery bill, in the U.S., cemetery administration is often vested in a government because the time horizon over which we expect that it will continue to need to be maintained is infinite.



      Similarly, you don't want to nuclear waste disposal facility to just shut down and have its employees all laid off because fees from new waste deposits no longer cover its operating costs, even if the problem arose because an incompetent nuclear waste facility administrator a decade ago underestimated how long it would cost to keep the facility open in what was supposed to be a self-supporting enterprise.



      We want water and sewer systems, the military, law enforcement agencies, historical archives, the courts, real estate record keeping, a school for the deaf, and the like to continue indefinitely, even if this eliminates one of the easier ways to control inefficiency, by shutting down inefficient institutions entirely. Government ownership is often an alternative to utility regulation for natural monopolies that must also endure in the long run.



      When shutting down inefficient institutions entirely isn't an option, you look for alternative solutions like developing strong audit and oversight institutions with the power to bring about change when an institution operates inefficiently.



      Amtrak exists, for better or worse, because somebody in government decided in 1971 that the United States needed at least one passenger rail company when all of them were going bankrupt and all of the infrastructure involved in once private passenger rail system was at risk of going to waste. There are legitimate reasons to say that maybe the United States doesn't actually need a slow speed passenger rail system using 1960s technology. But, once somebody has decided that the service must be provided even though it doesn't make economic sense to do so, it is impossible to run that service in an efficient manner.






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        "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
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        Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
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        The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
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        @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
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        "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
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      There is no one answer because some agencies are more efficient than others.



      For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims than private insurance companies are at the same task. Medicare devotes just 1.4% of expenditures for administrative costs (a more skeptical analysis that used a broader definition of administrative costs came up with 5.2%), with the rest of its funds going towards payment of claims, while private health insurers devote 11%-20% of their expenditures to administrative costs, leaving a smaller share of its resources to pay claims. See also here ("Medicare outperforms private sector plans in terms of patients' satisfaction with quality of care, access to care, and overall insurance ratings.") and here (health care spending goes down while service utilization is unchanged when an average person transitions from private health insurance to Medicare). You can argue that Medicare is able to do that, in part, because by having a policy of paying the prevailing insurance company negotiated price of any provider that it is free riding on costs incurred by private insurance companies to negotiate lower prices with providers, but certainly, Medicare dispenses with significant expenditures associated with advertising and executive compensation that private insurance companies must pay that it need not. Less obviously, Medicare claims processing is more efficient because every medical provider processes lots of Medicare clams and learns how to do it correctly, while a medical provider may process claims from a smaller health insurer only sporadically.



      Similarly, Social Security is more efficient in its administration of benefits dispersal than than almost any private sector retirement plan (which average 1.5% to 1.8% administrative fees) in existence. Annuities, the closest private sector analogy to Social Security, have particular high administrative fees (on average 2.3%).



      Social Security may not maximize investment return (not so much because it couldn't, lots of states have public employees retirement systems that do so at a quite low administrative cost, as because it is mandated by law to invest in Treasury securities and nothing else, the safest investment in existence often operationally treated by economists as the risk free rate of return), but this is, in part, to provide maximum security when markets fail (Social Security was devised after the collapse of financial markets that led to the Great Depression left many people who had saved diligently all their lives penniless.) Social security isn't just an investment, it is insurance against other investments turning out poorly when bear markets destroy investment wealth.



      The U.S. Department of Education took over direct servicing of student loans because that turned out to be more efficient than what the private sector was doing. As Wikipedia explains, the system was put in place, while "[g]uaranteed loans—loans originated and funded by private lenders but guaranteed by the government—were eliminated because of a perception that they benefited private student loan companies at the expense of taxpayers, but did not help reduce costs for students."



      In general, government agencies can be very efficient at handling large volumes of administrative paperwork involving large numbers of small individual cases as the examples above illustrate, in part, due to economies of scale.



      Also, in some cases, it is hard to compare because there is no close private sector counterpart. One could say that the U.S. Department of Defense is very inefficient (and no one seriously disputes that there are many ways it could be made significantly more efficient even though the magnitude of potential savings varies greatly), but there is no private sector counterpart running the largest military force in the world by many measures. One could try to compare, for example, the efficiency of military defense procurement projects done by private companies under contract with the government to private sector manufacturing enterprises of other kinds, like automobile manufacturers. But, private sector manufacturing is arguably under pressure to achieve very different objectives - the best possible outcome at an affordable price, rather than the best possible outcome at any price because failing means the end of civilization as we know it.



      There are also areas where there is considerable private sector competition with public sector institutions, providing a means of comparison, but the public sector institutions aren't notably better or worse in efficiency than the private sector counterparts and both are equally inefficient. There is a good case to be made that this is true of schools, colleges, universities, and hospitals ("5 studies reveal that public and not-for-profit hospitals are more efficient than those in private ownership. One study concludes the opposite, and 2 could not demonstrate any significant differences between the different hospital ownerships."). (Although per student or per degree costs of community college programs in the public sector are much lower for better outcomes than their private sector counterparts despite low rates of government subsidies per student than any other form of public higher education).



      There is likewise no compelling evidence that private prisons are run more efficiently, controlling for the makeup of the prisoners supervised, than public prisons.



      Similarly, there are private sector businesses that are very inefficient and dysfunctional, often because they don't face much competition. The cable company is a private company, but has a monopoly franchise in any given place for an extended time period (because it is a "natural monopoly", or at least used to be one), and unsurprisingly it has poor customer service and lots of inefficiencies and mismanagement that is allowed to persist. In addition to utilities, companies with patents (e.g. drug companies) can sometimes be inefficient because they have government monopolies. Indeed, one of the justifications for patents is that they are necessary to allow something inefficient (research and development that will often not pan out) to be conducted.



      Certainly, this isn't to say that there are no areas where the private sector does not get the job done better and cheaper than the public sector. But, even in those cases, this isn't universal. Some countries, like France and Sweden, do a particularly good job of public administration (anecdotal evidence here). Indeed, the most prestigious university in all of France is a school for public administrators. Other countries, like the U.S., are worse at public administration, such as Italy.



      But, as these examples illustrate, there is no one compelling reason.



      Probably the most powerful reason that the private sector is sometimes better than the public sector comes from countries with many state-owned enterprises. Comparisons in those cases indicate that the single greatest factor is that money-losing private businesses promptly go out of business or are reorganized in bankruptcy, while deficits in state-owned enterprises are often subsidized and keeping them in business for a long time. (Also, some state owned enterprises are intentionally inefficient as a means of providing political patronage).



      The fact that government institutions don't automatically shut down when they cease to be profitable as currently organized is sometimes a feature, rather than a flaw, however. Half of all private businesses fail within their first five years. Government institutions are frequently established to provide services that cannot for practical reasons, or should not, for moral reasons, be discontinued.



      For example, while in Japan and the Netherlands (both places where space is at a premium), public sensibilities are O.K. with tossing human remains in a dumpster if the surviving family fails to pay an annual cemetery bill, in the U.S., cemetery administration is often vested in a government because the time horizon over which we expect that it will continue to need to be maintained is infinite.



      Similarly, you don't want to nuclear waste disposal facility to just shut down and have its employees all laid off because fees from new waste deposits no longer cover its operating costs, even if the problem arose because an incompetent nuclear waste facility administrator a decade ago underestimated how long it would cost to keep the facility open in what was supposed to be a self-supporting enterprise.



      We want water and sewer systems, the military, law enforcement agencies, historical archives, the courts, real estate record keeping, a school for the deaf, and the like to continue indefinitely, even if this eliminates one of the easier ways to control inefficiency, by shutting down inefficient institutions entirely. Government ownership is often an alternative to utility regulation for natural monopolies that must also endure in the long run.



      When shutting down inefficient institutions entirely isn't an option, you look for alternative solutions like developing strong audit and oversight institutions with the power to bring about change when an institution operates inefficiently.



      Amtrak exists, for better or worse, because somebody in government decided in 1971 that the United States needed at least one passenger rail company when all of them were going bankrupt and all of the infrastructure involved in once private passenger rail system was at risk of going to waste. There are legitimate reasons to say that maybe the United States doesn't actually need a slow speed passenger rail system using 1960s technology. But, once somebody has decided that the service must be provided even though it doesn't make economic sense to do so, it is impossible to run that service in an efficient manner.






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        "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
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        Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
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        The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
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        @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
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        "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
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      There is no one answer because some agencies are more efficient than others.



      For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims than private insurance companies are at the same task. Medicare devotes just 1.4% of expenditures for administrative costs (a more skeptical analysis that used a broader definition of administrative costs came up with 5.2%), with the rest of its funds going towards payment of claims, while private health insurers devote 11%-20% of their expenditures to administrative costs, leaving a smaller share of its resources to pay claims. See also here ("Medicare outperforms private sector plans in terms of patients' satisfaction with quality of care, access to care, and overall insurance ratings.") and here (health care spending goes down while service utilization is unchanged when an average person transitions from private health insurance to Medicare). You can argue that Medicare is able to do that, in part, because by having a policy of paying the prevailing insurance company negotiated price of any provider that it is free riding on costs incurred by private insurance companies to negotiate lower prices with providers, but certainly, Medicare dispenses with significant expenditures associated with advertising and executive compensation that private insurance companies must pay that it need not. Less obviously, Medicare claims processing is more efficient because every medical provider processes lots of Medicare clams and learns how to do it correctly, while a medical provider may process claims from a smaller health insurer only sporadically.



      Similarly, Social Security is more efficient in its administration of benefits dispersal than than almost any private sector retirement plan (which average 1.5% to 1.8% administrative fees) in existence. Annuities, the closest private sector analogy to Social Security, have particular high administrative fees (on average 2.3%).



      Social Security may not maximize investment return (not so much because it couldn't, lots of states have public employees retirement systems that do so at a quite low administrative cost, as because it is mandated by law to invest in Treasury securities and nothing else, the safest investment in existence often operationally treated by economists as the risk free rate of return), but this is, in part, to provide maximum security when markets fail (Social Security was devised after the collapse of financial markets that led to the Great Depression left many people who had saved diligently all their lives penniless.) Social security isn't just an investment, it is insurance against other investments turning out poorly when bear markets destroy investment wealth.



      The U.S. Department of Education took over direct servicing of student loans because that turned out to be more efficient than what the private sector was doing. As Wikipedia explains, the system was put in place, while "[g]uaranteed loans—loans originated and funded by private lenders but guaranteed by the government—were eliminated because of a perception that they benefited private student loan companies at the expense of taxpayers, but did not help reduce costs for students."



      In general, government agencies can be very efficient at handling large volumes of administrative paperwork involving large numbers of small individual cases as the examples above illustrate, in part, due to economies of scale.



      Also, in some cases, it is hard to compare because there is no close private sector counterpart. One could say that the U.S. Department of Defense is very inefficient (and no one seriously disputes that there are many ways it could be made significantly more efficient even though the magnitude of potential savings varies greatly), but there is no private sector counterpart running the largest military force in the world by many measures. One could try to compare, for example, the efficiency of military defense procurement projects done by private companies under contract with the government to private sector manufacturing enterprises of other kinds, like automobile manufacturers. But, private sector manufacturing is arguably under pressure to achieve very different objectives - the best possible outcome at an affordable price, rather than the best possible outcome at any price because failing means the end of civilization as we know it.



      There are also areas where there is considerable private sector competition with public sector institutions, providing a means of comparison, but the public sector institutions aren't notably better or worse in efficiency than the private sector counterparts and both are equally inefficient. There is a good case to be made that this is true of schools, colleges, universities, and hospitals ("5 studies reveal that public and not-for-profit hospitals are more efficient than those in private ownership. One study concludes the opposite, and 2 could not demonstrate any significant differences between the different hospital ownerships."). (Although per student or per degree costs of community college programs in the public sector are much lower for better outcomes than their private sector counterparts despite low rates of government subsidies per student than any other form of public higher education).



      There is likewise no compelling evidence that private prisons are run more efficiently, controlling for the makeup of the prisoners supervised, than public prisons.



      Similarly, there are private sector businesses that are very inefficient and dysfunctional, often because they don't face much competition. The cable company is a private company, but has a monopoly franchise in any given place for an extended time period (because it is a "natural monopoly", or at least used to be one), and unsurprisingly it has poor customer service and lots of inefficiencies and mismanagement that is allowed to persist. In addition to utilities, companies with patents (e.g. drug companies) can sometimes be inefficient because they have government monopolies. Indeed, one of the justifications for patents is that they are necessary to allow something inefficient (research and development that will often not pan out) to be conducted.



      Certainly, this isn't to say that there are no areas where the private sector does not get the job done better and cheaper than the public sector. But, even in those cases, this isn't universal. Some countries, like France and Sweden, do a particularly good job of public administration (anecdotal evidence here). Indeed, the most prestigious university in all of France is a school for public administrators. Other countries, like the U.S., are worse at public administration, such as Italy.



      But, as these examples illustrate, there is no one compelling reason.



      Probably the most powerful reason that the private sector is sometimes better than the public sector comes from countries with many state-owned enterprises. Comparisons in those cases indicate that the single greatest factor is that money-losing private businesses promptly go out of business or are reorganized in bankruptcy, while deficits in state-owned enterprises are often subsidized and keeping them in business for a long time. (Also, some state owned enterprises are intentionally inefficient as a means of providing political patronage).



      The fact that government institutions don't automatically shut down when they cease to be profitable as currently organized is sometimes a feature, rather than a flaw, however. Half of all private businesses fail within their first five years. Government institutions are frequently established to provide services that cannot for practical reasons, or should not, for moral reasons, be discontinued.



      For example, while in Japan and the Netherlands (both places where space is at a premium), public sensibilities are O.K. with tossing human remains in a dumpster if the surviving family fails to pay an annual cemetery bill, in the U.S., cemetery administration is often vested in a government because the time horizon over which we expect that it will continue to need to be maintained is infinite.



      Similarly, you don't want to nuclear waste disposal facility to just shut down and have its employees all laid off because fees from new waste deposits no longer cover its operating costs, even if the problem arose because an incompetent nuclear waste facility administrator a decade ago underestimated how long it would cost to keep the facility open in what was supposed to be a self-supporting enterprise.



      We want water and sewer systems, the military, law enforcement agencies, historical archives, the courts, real estate record keeping, a school for the deaf, and the like to continue indefinitely, even if this eliminates one of the easier ways to control inefficiency, by shutting down inefficient institutions entirely. Government ownership is often an alternative to utility regulation for natural monopolies that must also endure in the long run.



      When shutting down inefficient institutions entirely isn't an option, you look for alternative solutions like developing strong audit and oversight institutions with the power to bring about change when an institution operates inefficiently.



      Amtrak exists, for better or worse, because somebody in government decided in 1971 that the United States needed at least one passenger rail company when all of them were going bankrupt and all of the infrastructure involved in once private passenger rail system was at risk of going to waste. There are legitimate reasons to say that maybe the United States doesn't actually need a slow speed passenger rail system using 1960s technology. But, once somebody has decided that the service must be provided even though it doesn't make economic sense to do so, it is impossible to run that service in an efficient manner.






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      There is no one answer because some agencies are more efficient than others.



      For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims than private insurance companies are at the same task. Medicare devotes just 1.4% of expenditures for administrative costs (a more skeptical analysis that used a broader definition of administrative costs came up with 5.2%), with the rest of its funds going towards payment of claims, while private health insurers devote 11%-20% of their expenditures to administrative costs, leaving a smaller share of its resources to pay claims. See also here ("Medicare outperforms private sector plans in terms of patients' satisfaction with quality of care, access to care, and overall insurance ratings.") and here (health care spending goes down while service utilization is unchanged when an average person transitions from private health insurance to Medicare). You can argue that Medicare is able to do that, in part, because by having a policy of paying the prevailing insurance company negotiated price of any provider that it is free riding on costs incurred by private insurance companies to negotiate lower prices with providers, but certainly, Medicare dispenses with significant expenditures associated with advertising and executive compensation that private insurance companies must pay that it need not. Less obviously, Medicare claims processing is more efficient because every medical provider processes lots of Medicare clams and learns how to do it correctly, while a medical provider may process claims from a smaller health insurer only sporadically.



      Similarly, Social Security is more efficient in its administration of benefits dispersal than than almost any private sector retirement plan (which average 1.5% to 1.8% administrative fees) in existence. Annuities, the closest private sector analogy to Social Security, have particular high administrative fees (on average 2.3%).



      Social Security may not maximize investment return (not so much because it couldn't, lots of states have public employees retirement systems that do so at a quite low administrative cost, as because it is mandated by law to invest in Treasury securities and nothing else, the safest investment in existence often operationally treated by economists as the risk free rate of return), but this is, in part, to provide maximum security when markets fail (Social Security was devised after the collapse of financial markets that led to the Great Depression left many people who had saved diligently all their lives penniless.) Social security isn't just an investment, it is insurance against other investments turning out poorly when bear markets destroy investment wealth.



      The U.S. Department of Education took over direct servicing of student loans because that turned out to be more efficient than what the private sector was doing. As Wikipedia explains, the system was put in place, while "[g]uaranteed loans—loans originated and funded by private lenders but guaranteed by the government—were eliminated because of a perception that they benefited private student loan companies at the expense of taxpayers, but did not help reduce costs for students."



      In general, government agencies can be very efficient at handling large volumes of administrative paperwork involving large numbers of small individual cases as the examples above illustrate, in part, due to economies of scale.



      Also, in some cases, it is hard to compare because there is no close private sector counterpart. One could say that the U.S. Department of Defense is very inefficient (and no one seriously disputes that there are many ways it could be made significantly more efficient even though the magnitude of potential savings varies greatly), but there is no private sector counterpart running the largest military force in the world by many measures. One could try to compare, for example, the efficiency of military defense procurement projects done by private companies under contract with the government to private sector manufacturing enterprises of other kinds, like automobile manufacturers. But, private sector manufacturing is arguably under pressure to achieve very different objectives - the best possible outcome at an affordable price, rather than the best possible outcome at any price because failing means the end of civilization as we know it.



      There are also areas where there is considerable private sector competition with public sector institutions, providing a means of comparison, but the public sector institutions aren't notably better or worse in efficiency than the private sector counterparts and both are equally inefficient. There is a good case to be made that this is true of schools, colleges, universities, and hospitals ("5 studies reveal that public and not-for-profit hospitals are more efficient than those in private ownership. One study concludes the opposite, and 2 could not demonstrate any significant differences between the different hospital ownerships."). (Although per student or per degree costs of community college programs in the public sector are much lower for better outcomes than their private sector counterparts despite low rates of government subsidies per student than any other form of public higher education).



      There is likewise no compelling evidence that private prisons are run more efficiently, controlling for the makeup of the prisoners supervised, than public prisons.



      Similarly, there are private sector businesses that are very inefficient and dysfunctional, often because they don't face much competition. The cable company is a private company, but has a monopoly franchise in any given place for an extended time period (because it is a "natural monopoly", or at least used to be one), and unsurprisingly it has poor customer service and lots of inefficiencies and mismanagement that is allowed to persist. In addition to utilities, companies with patents (e.g. drug companies) can sometimes be inefficient because they have government monopolies. Indeed, one of the justifications for patents is that they are necessary to allow something inefficient (research and development that will often not pan out) to be conducted.



      Certainly, this isn't to say that there are no areas where the private sector does not get the job done better and cheaper than the public sector. But, even in those cases, this isn't universal. Some countries, like France and Sweden, do a particularly good job of public administration (anecdotal evidence here). Indeed, the most prestigious university in all of France is a school for public administrators. Other countries, like the U.S., are worse at public administration, such as Italy.



      But, as these examples illustrate, there is no one compelling reason.



      Probably the most powerful reason that the private sector is sometimes better than the public sector comes from countries with many state-owned enterprises. Comparisons in those cases indicate that the single greatest factor is that money-losing private businesses promptly go out of business or are reorganized in bankruptcy, while deficits in state-owned enterprises are often subsidized and keeping them in business for a long time. (Also, some state owned enterprises are intentionally inefficient as a means of providing political patronage).



      The fact that government institutions don't automatically shut down when they cease to be profitable as currently organized is sometimes a feature, rather than a flaw, however. Half of all private businesses fail within their first five years. Government institutions are frequently established to provide services that cannot for practical reasons, or should not, for moral reasons, be discontinued.



      For example, while in Japan and the Netherlands (both places where space is at a premium), public sensibilities are O.K. with tossing human remains in a dumpster if the surviving family fails to pay an annual cemetery bill, in the U.S., cemetery administration is often vested in a government because the time horizon over which we expect that it will continue to need to be maintained is infinite.



      Similarly, you don't want to nuclear waste disposal facility to just shut down and have its employees all laid off because fees from new waste deposits no longer cover its operating costs, even if the problem arose because an incompetent nuclear waste facility administrator a decade ago underestimated how long it would cost to keep the facility open in what was supposed to be a self-supporting enterprise.



      We want water and sewer systems, the military, law enforcement agencies, historical archives, the courts, real estate record keeping, a school for the deaf, and the like to continue indefinitely, even if this eliminates one of the easier ways to control inefficiency, by shutting down inefficient institutions entirely. Government ownership is often an alternative to utility regulation for natural monopolies that must also endure in the long run.



      When shutting down inefficient institutions entirely isn't an option, you look for alternative solutions like developing strong audit and oversight institutions with the power to bring about change when an institution operates inefficiently.



      Amtrak exists, for better or worse, because somebody in government decided in 1971 that the United States needed at least one passenger rail company when all of them were going bankrupt and all of the infrastructure involved in once private passenger rail system was at risk of going to waste. There are legitimate reasons to say that maybe the United States doesn't actually need a slow speed passenger rail system using 1960s technology. But, once somebody has decided that the service must be provided even though it doesn't make economic sense to do so, it is impossible to run that service in an efficient manner.







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        "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
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        Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
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        The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
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        @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
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        "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
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        "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
        – user4012
        2 days ago






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        Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
        – Leon
        2 days ago






      • 8




        The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
        – David Rice
        2 days ago






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        @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
        – sevenbrokenbricks
        2 days ago






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        "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
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      "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
      – user4012
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      "Social Security is more efficient than almost any private sector retirement plan in existence." - [citation needed]. As well as how you define "efficiency" in context of an investment vehicle vs. a pyramid scheme that doesn't actually invest and depends on more and more people paying in.
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      Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
      – Leon
      2 days ago




      Nice answer, I would suggest though to add citations for some of the claims made within it.
      – Leon
      2 days ago




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      The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
      – David Rice
      2 days ago




      The fact that businesses frequently go out of business due to inefficiency should indicate that private enterprise isn't efficient in general.
      – David Rice
      2 days ago




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      @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
      – sevenbrokenbricks
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      @DavidRice It doesn’t, because the ones out of business are now out of business, leaving the efficient ones in business. That happens as automatically as blood clotting in the private sector.
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      "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
      – jpmc26
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      "For example, Medicare is much more efficient in processing and paying medical claims..." LOL! I'm sorry, but that's just a bad joke. Medicare just doesn't cover as many things and unilaterally determines extremely low prices and coverage without a contract. Furthermore, they force providers to operate at a loss. They also impose absurd polices on providers (like Advanced Beneficial Notices, which can leave the provider stuck giving procedures for free in some circumstances). Their own people get the coverage rules wrong frequently, too. Efficient my behind.
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      President Obama gave a speech at Carnegie Mellon in 2016 where he responded a bit to the idea that government should be run more like a Silicon Valley business, which often comes up when government efficiency is mentioned:




      The final thing I’ll say is that government will never run the way Silicon Valley runs because, by definition, democracy is messy. This is a big, diverse country with a lot of interests and a lot of disparate points of view. And part of government’s job, by the way, is dealing with problems that nobody else wants to deal with.



      So sometimes I talk to CEOs, they come in and they start telling me about leadership, and here’s how we do things. And I say, well, if all I was doing was making a widget or producing an app, and I didn’t have to worry about whether poor people could afford the widget, or I didn’t have to worry about whether the app had some unintended consequences -- setting aside my Syria and Yemen portfolio -- then I think those suggestions are terrific. (Laughter and applause.) That's not, by the way, to say that there aren't huge efficiencies and improvements that have to be made.



      But the reason I say this is sometimes we get, I think, in the scientific community, the tech community, the entrepreneurial community, the sense of we just have to blow up the system, or create this parallel society and culture because government is inherently wrecked. No, it's not inherently wrecked; it's just government has to care for, for example, veterans who come home. That's not on your balance sheet, that's on our collective balance sheet, because we have a sacred duty to take care of those veterans. And that's hard and it's messy, and we're building up legacy systems that we can't just blow up.




      Government has to be for everyone, in a way that private businesses generally don't deal with. If you're entitled to social security, you get social security, even if you live in a remote community, don't speak English, and are incapable of managing your own affairs. A private investment plan would likely determine that you're not an economically worthwhile customer to serve. Social security sets up a small resident station, arranges access to interpreters, and appoints a representative payee.



      As another example, the federal voter registration form says that, if you don't have a home address or are homeless, you can literally draw a map of your residence on the voter registration form, indicating nearby landmarks. That's not something that fits neatly into any database. Some poor clerk has to decipher your map and figure out which voting districts you live in. Plenty of private businesses will just refuse to serve you unless you have an address, a phone number, email, etc... That's not an option for the government.



      Efficiency is inherently different in government. An app developer might decide to withdraw support for an old version of an operating system, because losing 2% of legacy users is worth the cost of not having to support the old version. The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them; it has to provide some path that works.






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      • To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
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        "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
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        This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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      President Obama gave a speech at Carnegie Mellon in 2016 where he responded a bit to the idea that government should be run more like a Silicon Valley business, which often comes up when government efficiency is mentioned:




      The final thing I’ll say is that government will never run the way Silicon Valley runs because, by definition, democracy is messy. This is a big, diverse country with a lot of interests and a lot of disparate points of view. And part of government’s job, by the way, is dealing with problems that nobody else wants to deal with.



      So sometimes I talk to CEOs, they come in and they start telling me about leadership, and here’s how we do things. And I say, well, if all I was doing was making a widget or producing an app, and I didn’t have to worry about whether poor people could afford the widget, or I didn’t have to worry about whether the app had some unintended consequences -- setting aside my Syria and Yemen portfolio -- then I think those suggestions are terrific. (Laughter and applause.) That's not, by the way, to say that there aren't huge efficiencies and improvements that have to be made.



      But the reason I say this is sometimes we get, I think, in the scientific community, the tech community, the entrepreneurial community, the sense of we just have to blow up the system, or create this parallel society and culture because government is inherently wrecked. No, it's not inherently wrecked; it's just government has to care for, for example, veterans who come home. That's not on your balance sheet, that's on our collective balance sheet, because we have a sacred duty to take care of those veterans. And that's hard and it's messy, and we're building up legacy systems that we can't just blow up.




      Government has to be for everyone, in a way that private businesses generally don't deal with. If you're entitled to social security, you get social security, even if you live in a remote community, don't speak English, and are incapable of managing your own affairs. A private investment plan would likely determine that you're not an economically worthwhile customer to serve. Social security sets up a small resident station, arranges access to interpreters, and appoints a representative payee.



      As another example, the federal voter registration form says that, if you don't have a home address or are homeless, you can literally draw a map of your residence on the voter registration form, indicating nearby landmarks. That's not something that fits neatly into any database. Some poor clerk has to decipher your map and figure out which voting districts you live in. Plenty of private businesses will just refuse to serve you unless you have an address, a phone number, email, etc... That's not an option for the government.



      Efficiency is inherently different in government. An app developer might decide to withdraw support for an old version of an operating system, because losing 2% of legacy users is worth the cost of not having to support the old version. The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them; it has to provide some path that works.






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      • To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
        – Juggerbot
        2 days ago






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        "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
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        This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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      President Obama gave a speech at Carnegie Mellon in 2016 where he responded a bit to the idea that government should be run more like a Silicon Valley business, which often comes up when government efficiency is mentioned:




      The final thing I’ll say is that government will never run the way Silicon Valley runs because, by definition, democracy is messy. This is a big, diverse country with a lot of interests and a lot of disparate points of view. And part of government’s job, by the way, is dealing with problems that nobody else wants to deal with.



      So sometimes I talk to CEOs, they come in and they start telling me about leadership, and here’s how we do things. And I say, well, if all I was doing was making a widget or producing an app, and I didn’t have to worry about whether poor people could afford the widget, or I didn’t have to worry about whether the app had some unintended consequences -- setting aside my Syria and Yemen portfolio -- then I think those suggestions are terrific. (Laughter and applause.) That's not, by the way, to say that there aren't huge efficiencies and improvements that have to be made.



      But the reason I say this is sometimes we get, I think, in the scientific community, the tech community, the entrepreneurial community, the sense of we just have to blow up the system, or create this parallel society and culture because government is inherently wrecked. No, it's not inherently wrecked; it's just government has to care for, for example, veterans who come home. That's not on your balance sheet, that's on our collective balance sheet, because we have a sacred duty to take care of those veterans. And that's hard and it's messy, and we're building up legacy systems that we can't just blow up.




      Government has to be for everyone, in a way that private businesses generally don't deal with. If you're entitled to social security, you get social security, even if you live in a remote community, don't speak English, and are incapable of managing your own affairs. A private investment plan would likely determine that you're not an economically worthwhile customer to serve. Social security sets up a small resident station, arranges access to interpreters, and appoints a representative payee.



      As another example, the federal voter registration form says that, if you don't have a home address or are homeless, you can literally draw a map of your residence on the voter registration form, indicating nearby landmarks. That's not something that fits neatly into any database. Some poor clerk has to decipher your map and figure out which voting districts you live in. Plenty of private businesses will just refuse to serve you unless you have an address, a phone number, email, etc... That's not an option for the government.



      Efficiency is inherently different in government. An app developer might decide to withdraw support for an old version of an operating system, because losing 2% of legacy users is worth the cost of not having to support the old version. The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them; it has to provide some path that works.






      share|improve this answer












      President Obama gave a speech at Carnegie Mellon in 2016 where he responded a bit to the idea that government should be run more like a Silicon Valley business, which often comes up when government efficiency is mentioned:




      The final thing I’ll say is that government will never run the way Silicon Valley runs because, by definition, democracy is messy. This is a big, diverse country with a lot of interests and a lot of disparate points of view. And part of government’s job, by the way, is dealing with problems that nobody else wants to deal with.



      So sometimes I talk to CEOs, they come in and they start telling me about leadership, and here’s how we do things. And I say, well, if all I was doing was making a widget or producing an app, and I didn’t have to worry about whether poor people could afford the widget, or I didn’t have to worry about whether the app had some unintended consequences -- setting aside my Syria and Yemen portfolio -- then I think those suggestions are terrific. (Laughter and applause.) That's not, by the way, to say that there aren't huge efficiencies and improvements that have to be made.



      But the reason I say this is sometimes we get, I think, in the scientific community, the tech community, the entrepreneurial community, the sense of we just have to blow up the system, or create this parallel society and culture because government is inherently wrecked. No, it's not inherently wrecked; it's just government has to care for, for example, veterans who come home. That's not on your balance sheet, that's on our collective balance sheet, because we have a sacred duty to take care of those veterans. And that's hard and it's messy, and we're building up legacy systems that we can't just blow up.




      Government has to be for everyone, in a way that private businesses generally don't deal with. If you're entitled to social security, you get social security, even if you live in a remote community, don't speak English, and are incapable of managing your own affairs. A private investment plan would likely determine that you're not an economically worthwhile customer to serve. Social security sets up a small resident station, arranges access to interpreters, and appoints a representative payee.



      As another example, the federal voter registration form says that, if you don't have a home address or are homeless, you can literally draw a map of your residence on the voter registration form, indicating nearby landmarks. That's not something that fits neatly into any database. Some poor clerk has to decipher your map and figure out which voting districts you live in. Plenty of private businesses will just refuse to serve you unless you have an address, a phone number, email, etc... That's not an option for the government.



      Efficiency is inherently different in government. An app developer might decide to withdraw support for an old version of an operating system, because losing 2% of legacy users is worth the cost of not having to support the old version. The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them; it has to provide some path that works.







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      • To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
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        "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
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        This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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      • To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
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        "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
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        This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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      To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
      – Juggerbot
      2 days ago




      To add to this, the reason governments are inclined to be optimized for 100% coverage, because to do otherwise would hurt their legitimacy. Efficiency is great, but simply isn't the highest priority.
      – Juggerbot
      2 days ago




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      5




      "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
      – reirab
      2 days ago






      "The government can't just deny services to 2% of citizens even if it's costly to serve them." Governments commonly do that, including on their own websites and apps, to use Obama's own example. Same goes water, roads, etc. There are loads of government services that don't provide uniform services to everyone or even services at all to everyone. Granted, government does often try to have more universal coverage than the private sector would be concerned with. Retirement plans aren't really a great example, though, as IRAs are, in fact, quite common and easily available to almost anyone.
      – reirab
      2 days ago






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      This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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      This wasn't what OP's question meant by "efficiency". They meant an individual government worker working poorly (at best, and at worst demanding bribes but that was edited out)
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      Just like anything else, most things humans do arise out of incentives.




      • A private company employee has incentive to be efficient because if they are not, their manager has incentives to fire them, and replace them with a more efficient employee.


      • A private company manager has incentive to do that because efficiency has direct impact on productivity and/or customer satisfaction; both of which have direct impact on revenues; due to competition (a low-productivity producer must charge more leading to customers picking competing product; unsatisfied customer can also chose competing product).


      • A private company manager has incentive to care about revenues because on the upside, if revenues are higher, they get better pay; and promotions; whereas on the downside, if revenues are sufficiently lower, they get fired in layoffs; or in worst case, company goes under and everyone loses their job.



      Now, compare that to public institution. Those institutions are characterized by 3 features:





      • Monopoly and lack of competition.



        If you as a customer do not like the product or a service offered by a public institution, you are typically S.O.L. There is usually no competing product or service being offered; due to a government rule, law or mandate. You cannot choose to get a driving ID from a private company if your motor vehicle department works poorly or demands bribes. You cannot have your house improvements certified by a private inspection company, you have to wait for a never-in-a-hurry government bureaucrat to do that.



        Or, the service or product has barriers to entry too high, due to scarce resources. For example, water delivery requires physical pipes, so a private company would be unlikely to be able to do this at a competing price. Ironically, this isn't unique to public institutions - same problems caused the rise of landline phone monopolies earlier and wired Internet service provider monopolies nowadays.



        Or, in case of some services, the competing private ones cost too much for the poor; and government one is the only available option within near-free price range (as the service is subsidized by government budget).




      • No need to ensure revenue.



        Revenues for public institutions are generated by forcing taxpayers to pay taxes and allocating government revenue by the government out of that. As such, there is no direct impact on revenues from quality of service or product; or productivity[1].



        [1] - one could argue there is an indirect impact in that poor service/product may lead to lower overall economic growth which leads to lower tax revenues down the line. But that is way way too indirect to matter in this case.




      • Employee incomes are not correlated with efficiency.



        If you work better at a private company, you have a chance of being paid more (performance bonuses, pay raises) - see the incentive structure above. At a public institution, they pay is typically very static, with no performance impact on compensation.




      • In some cases, it's impossible or difficult to fire poor performers, even if the institution and its managers would want that.



        First, there are unions. At least in USA, public institutions are far far far more heavily unionized than private ones. Second, there are rules about firing people in public institutions, as the employer is "government".








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        Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
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        I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
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        2 days ago






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        "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
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        Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
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        @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
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      21














      Just like anything else, most things humans do arise out of incentives.




      • A private company employee has incentive to be efficient because if they are not, their manager has incentives to fire them, and replace them with a more efficient employee.


      • A private company manager has incentive to do that because efficiency has direct impact on productivity and/or customer satisfaction; both of which have direct impact on revenues; due to competition (a low-productivity producer must charge more leading to customers picking competing product; unsatisfied customer can also chose competing product).


      • A private company manager has incentive to care about revenues because on the upside, if revenues are higher, they get better pay; and promotions; whereas on the downside, if revenues are sufficiently lower, they get fired in layoffs; or in worst case, company goes under and everyone loses their job.



      Now, compare that to public institution. Those institutions are characterized by 3 features:





      • Monopoly and lack of competition.



        If you as a customer do not like the product or a service offered by a public institution, you are typically S.O.L. There is usually no competing product or service being offered; due to a government rule, law or mandate. You cannot choose to get a driving ID from a private company if your motor vehicle department works poorly or demands bribes. You cannot have your house improvements certified by a private inspection company, you have to wait for a never-in-a-hurry government bureaucrat to do that.



        Or, the service or product has barriers to entry too high, due to scarce resources. For example, water delivery requires physical pipes, so a private company would be unlikely to be able to do this at a competing price. Ironically, this isn't unique to public institutions - same problems caused the rise of landline phone monopolies earlier and wired Internet service provider monopolies nowadays.



        Or, in case of some services, the competing private ones cost too much for the poor; and government one is the only available option within near-free price range (as the service is subsidized by government budget).




      • No need to ensure revenue.



        Revenues for public institutions are generated by forcing taxpayers to pay taxes and allocating government revenue by the government out of that. As such, there is no direct impact on revenues from quality of service or product; or productivity[1].



        [1] - one could argue there is an indirect impact in that poor service/product may lead to lower overall economic growth which leads to lower tax revenues down the line. But that is way way too indirect to matter in this case.




      • Employee incomes are not correlated with efficiency.



        If you work better at a private company, you have a chance of being paid more (performance bonuses, pay raises) - see the incentive structure above. At a public institution, they pay is typically very static, with no performance impact on compensation.




      • In some cases, it's impossible or difficult to fire poor performers, even if the institution and its managers would want that.



        First, there are unions. At least in USA, public institutions are far far far more heavily unionized than private ones. Second, there are rules about firing people in public institutions, as the employer is "government".








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        Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
        – Jack Of All Trades 234
        2 days ago






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        I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
        – Jared Smith
        2 days ago






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        "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
        – jpmc26
        2 days ago








      • 4




        Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
        – ohwilleke
        yesterday






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        @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
        – reirab
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      Just like anything else, most things humans do arise out of incentives.




      • A private company employee has incentive to be efficient because if they are not, their manager has incentives to fire them, and replace them with a more efficient employee.


      • A private company manager has incentive to do that because efficiency has direct impact on productivity and/or customer satisfaction; both of which have direct impact on revenues; due to competition (a low-productivity producer must charge more leading to customers picking competing product; unsatisfied customer can also chose competing product).


      • A private company manager has incentive to care about revenues because on the upside, if revenues are higher, they get better pay; and promotions; whereas on the downside, if revenues are sufficiently lower, they get fired in layoffs; or in worst case, company goes under and everyone loses their job.



      Now, compare that to public institution. Those institutions are characterized by 3 features:





      • Monopoly and lack of competition.



        If you as a customer do not like the product or a service offered by a public institution, you are typically S.O.L. There is usually no competing product or service being offered; due to a government rule, law or mandate. You cannot choose to get a driving ID from a private company if your motor vehicle department works poorly or demands bribes. You cannot have your house improvements certified by a private inspection company, you have to wait for a never-in-a-hurry government bureaucrat to do that.



        Or, the service or product has barriers to entry too high, due to scarce resources. For example, water delivery requires physical pipes, so a private company would be unlikely to be able to do this at a competing price. Ironically, this isn't unique to public institutions - same problems caused the rise of landline phone monopolies earlier and wired Internet service provider monopolies nowadays.



        Or, in case of some services, the competing private ones cost too much for the poor; and government one is the only available option within near-free price range (as the service is subsidized by government budget).




      • No need to ensure revenue.



        Revenues for public institutions are generated by forcing taxpayers to pay taxes and allocating government revenue by the government out of that. As such, there is no direct impact on revenues from quality of service or product; or productivity[1].



        [1] - one could argue there is an indirect impact in that poor service/product may lead to lower overall economic growth which leads to lower tax revenues down the line. But that is way way too indirect to matter in this case.




      • Employee incomes are not correlated with efficiency.



        If you work better at a private company, you have a chance of being paid more (performance bonuses, pay raises) - see the incentive structure above. At a public institution, they pay is typically very static, with no performance impact on compensation.




      • In some cases, it's impossible or difficult to fire poor performers, even if the institution and its managers would want that.



        First, there are unions. At least in USA, public institutions are far far far more heavily unionized than private ones. Second, there are rules about firing people in public institutions, as the employer is "government".








      share|improve this answer














      Just like anything else, most things humans do arise out of incentives.




      • A private company employee has incentive to be efficient because if they are not, their manager has incentives to fire them, and replace them with a more efficient employee.


      • A private company manager has incentive to do that because efficiency has direct impact on productivity and/or customer satisfaction; both of which have direct impact on revenues; due to competition (a low-productivity producer must charge more leading to customers picking competing product; unsatisfied customer can also chose competing product).


      • A private company manager has incentive to care about revenues because on the upside, if revenues are higher, they get better pay; and promotions; whereas on the downside, if revenues are sufficiently lower, they get fired in layoffs; or in worst case, company goes under and everyone loses their job.



      Now, compare that to public institution. Those institutions are characterized by 3 features:





      • Monopoly and lack of competition.



        If you as a customer do not like the product or a service offered by a public institution, you are typically S.O.L. There is usually no competing product or service being offered; due to a government rule, law or mandate. You cannot choose to get a driving ID from a private company if your motor vehicle department works poorly or demands bribes. You cannot have your house improvements certified by a private inspection company, you have to wait for a never-in-a-hurry government bureaucrat to do that.



        Or, the service or product has barriers to entry too high, due to scarce resources. For example, water delivery requires physical pipes, so a private company would be unlikely to be able to do this at a competing price. Ironically, this isn't unique to public institutions - same problems caused the rise of landline phone monopolies earlier and wired Internet service provider monopolies nowadays.



        Or, in case of some services, the competing private ones cost too much for the poor; and government one is the only available option within near-free price range (as the service is subsidized by government budget).




      • No need to ensure revenue.



        Revenues for public institutions are generated by forcing taxpayers to pay taxes and allocating government revenue by the government out of that. As such, there is no direct impact on revenues from quality of service or product; or productivity[1].



        [1] - one could argue there is an indirect impact in that poor service/product may lead to lower overall economic growth which leads to lower tax revenues down the line. But that is way way too indirect to matter in this case.




      • Employee incomes are not correlated with efficiency.



        If you work better at a private company, you have a chance of being paid more (performance bonuses, pay raises) - see the incentive structure above. At a public institution, they pay is typically very static, with no performance impact on compensation.




      • In some cases, it's impossible or difficult to fire poor performers, even if the institution and its managers would want that.



        First, there are unions. At least in USA, public institutions are far far far more heavily unionized than private ones. Second, there are rules about firing people in public institutions, as the employer is "government".









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        Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
        – Jack Of All Trades 234
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        I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
        – Jared Smith
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        "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
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        Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
        – ohwilleke
        yesterday






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        @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
        – reirab
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        Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
        – Jack Of All Trades 234
        2 days ago






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        I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
        – Jared Smith
        2 days ago






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        "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
        – jpmc26
        2 days ago








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        Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
        – ohwilleke
        yesterday






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        @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
        – reirab
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      Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
      – Jack Of All Trades 234
      2 days ago




      Could probably improve this answer by moving your last bullet/paragraph to the top, and applying a large bold font. Parasitic 'employees' that can't be removed for whatever reason, are an enormous drain on efficiency both directly, and indirectly through the negative morale they generate in otherwise productive employees.
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      I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
      – Jared Smith
      2 days ago




      I don't buy it. I've worked in the public and private sectors (Midwest US, extrapolate with caution). The difference between the two is vanishingly small with two exceptions: if you're in a menial low-skill entry level job it's harder to be fired in the public sector (about equally hard when talking about higher echelons) and small companies tend to more accurately reflect the dichotomy you're espousing. But IME the difference between public and private is dwarfed by the difference between large org and small.
      – Jared Smith
      2 days ago




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      "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
      – jpmc26
      2 days ago






      "...due to a government rule, law or mandate." Another common reason to throw into the mix is that the government often has the power to operate at a loss through debt, something a business can't compete against price-wise. I think that's the case for flood insurance in the U.S., but I haven't looked into that as closely as I probably ought to.
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      Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
      – ohwilleke
      yesterday




      Worth noting that there are private monopolies too. Can you say "cable company" which has a franchise from a municipality in most cases. Similarly, in Colorado, emissions tests are done by a private sector firm with a monopoly. Unionization being more public than private sector is historically fairly recent and private sector union shops can also be hard to fire someone from. Also, while governments in the U.S. are bad at firing civil servants for poor performance, that tendency isn't universal. Some countries have better run civil service systems than the U.S. norm.
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      yesterday




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      @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
      – reirab
      yesterday




      @ohwilleke You're absolutely right about those private monopolies. The problem with those is precisely what you've mentioned - that the government has given them a legally-enforced monopoly. Get rid of those municipal exclusivity agreements and real competition could happen. As a shock to absolutely no one, those companies have among the worst reputations of any companies in the U.S. - lack of free-market competition will do that.
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      Others have noted the issues with incentives and competition, but there is actually another reason, which is dis-economies of scale.



      Back in 1937 economist Ronald Coase asked the deceptively simple question: "why do companies exist?". He reasoned that if the open market was the most efficient way of getting things done then firms (i.e. companies with lots of employees) shouldn't exist; the economy would consist entirely of individual contractors. However firms do exist, and different markets seem to favour different sizes of firms. This led him to set out his "theory of the firm".



      As a company grows it can exploit economies of scale; if you make 100 widgets a week it costs $2/widget, but if you can make 1,000 widgets a week you can reduce the cost to $1.90/widget by increasing automation, using your staff in more specialised roles that require less training, getting bulk discounts on your inputs, and so on. Hence in the widget business companies grow or go out of business; the company making only 100 widgets/week is not going to be able to compete with the one making 1,000/week.



      So why isn't the economy dominated by a single giant monopoly in everything? The answer is that increasing scale brings dis-economies:




      • Coordination becomes more difficult. The guy on the factory floor may realise that screw No. 7 is difficult to get in, but that information doesn't get back to the design department where it could be fixed.


      • New products take longer to bring out because of the work required to retool and reskill the production line.


      • Employees no longer need to work hard to "succeed". Instead they are given targets and can relax once these are achieved. Their managers have no incentive to make these targets a real challenge because then they would be seen as failing too. This disincentive goes all the way from the bottom to the top, which is why so many CEOs pocket big bonuses for lack-lustre performance.


      • Some middle managers also play empire-building games, seek to undermine each other, and generally mess up the efficiency of the company.



      So in any industry there is an optimum point where the economies of scale due to additional growth are matched by the dis-economies. Companies in this industry will tend towards this size.



      Now consider the government. Its size is fixed by the size of the country and the list of jobs it does (which in turn is set by law). It is probably the biggest organization in the country, doing a vast range of different jobs under very variable circumstances.



      So on one hand there are likely to be huge dis-economies of scale where it does jobs, such as running lots of small offices, or schools, which would be more efficient if done by a small organisation.



      On the other hand it is also likely to behave in ways that prevent economies of scale, for instance running lots of small local schools instead of one big one with a fleet of buses.






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        Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
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      • @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
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      Others have noted the issues with incentives and competition, but there is actually another reason, which is dis-economies of scale.



      Back in 1937 economist Ronald Coase asked the deceptively simple question: "why do companies exist?". He reasoned that if the open market was the most efficient way of getting things done then firms (i.e. companies with lots of employees) shouldn't exist; the economy would consist entirely of individual contractors. However firms do exist, and different markets seem to favour different sizes of firms. This led him to set out his "theory of the firm".



      As a company grows it can exploit economies of scale; if you make 100 widgets a week it costs $2/widget, but if you can make 1,000 widgets a week you can reduce the cost to $1.90/widget by increasing automation, using your staff in more specialised roles that require less training, getting bulk discounts on your inputs, and so on. Hence in the widget business companies grow or go out of business; the company making only 100 widgets/week is not going to be able to compete with the one making 1,000/week.



      So why isn't the economy dominated by a single giant monopoly in everything? The answer is that increasing scale brings dis-economies:




      • Coordination becomes more difficult. The guy on the factory floor may realise that screw No. 7 is difficult to get in, but that information doesn't get back to the design department where it could be fixed.


      • New products take longer to bring out because of the work required to retool and reskill the production line.


      • Employees no longer need to work hard to "succeed". Instead they are given targets and can relax once these are achieved. Their managers have no incentive to make these targets a real challenge because then they would be seen as failing too. This disincentive goes all the way from the bottom to the top, which is why so many CEOs pocket big bonuses for lack-lustre performance.


      • Some middle managers also play empire-building games, seek to undermine each other, and generally mess up the efficiency of the company.



      So in any industry there is an optimum point where the economies of scale due to additional growth are matched by the dis-economies. Companies in this industry will tend towards this size.



      Now consider the government. Its size is fixed by the size of the country and the list of jobs it does (which in turn is set by law). It is probably the biggest organization in the country, doing a vast range of different jobs under very variable circumstances.



      So on one hand there are likely to be huge dis-economies of scale where it does jobs, such as running lots of small offices, or schools, which would be more efficient if done by a small organisation.



      On the other hand it is also likely to behave in ways that prevent economies of scale, for instance running lots of small local schools instead of one big one with a fleet of buses.






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        Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
        – ohwilleke
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      • @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
        – Paul Johnson
        11 hours ago














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      14








      14






      Others have noted the issues with incentives and competition, but there is actually another reason, which is dis-economies of scale.



      Back in 1937 economist Ronald Coase asked the deceptively simple question: "why do companies exist?". He reasoned that if the open market was the most efficient way of getting things done then firms (i.e. companies with lots of employees) shouldn't exist; the economy would consist entirely of individual contractors. However firms do exist, and different markets seem to favour different sizes of firms. This led him to set out his "theory of the firm".



      As a company grows it can exploit economies of scale; if you make 100 widgets a week it costs $2/widget, but if you can make 1,000 widgets a week you can reduce the cost to $1.90/widget by increasing automation, using your staff in more specialised roles that require less training, getting bulk discounts on your inputs, and so on. Hence in the widget business companies grow or go out of business; the company making only 100 widgets/week is not going to be able to compete with the one making 1,000/week.



      So why isn't the economy dominated by a single giant monopoly in everything? The answer is that increasing scale brings dis-economies:




      • Coordination becomes more difficult. The guy on the factory floor may realise that screw No. 7 is difficult to get in, but that information doesn't get back to the design department where it could be fixed.


      • New products take longer to bring out because of the work required to retool and reskill the production line.


      • Employees no longer need to work hard to "succeed". Instead they are given targets and can relax once these are achieved. Their managers have no incentive to make these targets a real challenge because then they would be seen as failing too. This disincentive goes all the way from the bottom to the top, which is why so many CEOs pocket big bonuses for lack-lustre performance.


      • Some middle managers also play empire-building games, seek to undermine each other, and generally mess up the efficiency of the company.



      So in any industry there is an optimum point where the economies of scale due to additional growth are matched by the dis-economies. Companies in this industry will tend towards this size.



      Now consider the government. Its size is fixed by the size of the country and the list of jobs it does (which in turn is set by law). It is probably the biggest organization in the country, doing a vast range of different jobs under very variable circumstances.



      So on one hand there are likely to be huge dis-economies of scale where it does jobs, such as running lots of small offices, or schools, which would be more efficient if done by a small organisation.



      On the other hand it is also likely to behave in ways that prevent economies of scale, for instance running lots of small local schools instead of one big one with a fleet of buses.






      share|improve this answer














      Others have noted the issues with incentives and competition, but there is actually another reason, which is dis-economies of scale.



      Back in 1937 economist Ronald Coase asked the deceptively simple question: "why do companies exist?". He reasoned that if the open market was the most efficient way of getting things done then firms (i.e. companies with lots of employees) shouldn't exist; the economy would consist entirely of individual contractors. However firms do exist, and different markets seem to favour different sizes of firms. This led him to set out his "theory of the firm".



      As a company grows it can exploit economies of scale; if you make 100 widgets a week it costs $2/widget, but if you can make 1,000 widgets a week you can reduce the cost to $1.90/widget by increasing automation, using your staff in more specialised roles that require less training, getting bulk discounts on your inputs, and so on. Hence in the widget business companies grow or go out of business; the company making only 100 widgets/week is not going to be able to compete with the one making 1,000/week.



      So why isn't the economy dominated by a single giant monopoly in everything? The answer is that increasing scale brings dis-economies:




      • Coordination becomes more difficult. The guy on the factory floor may realise that screw No. 7 is difficult to get in, but that information doesn't get back to the design department where it could be fixed.


      • New products take longer to bring out because of the work required to retool and reskill the production line.


      • Employees no longer need to work hard to "succeed". Instead they are given targets and can relax once these are achieved. Their managers have no incentive to make these targets a real challenge because then they would be seen as failing too. This disincentive goes all the way from the bottom to the top, which is why so many CEOs pocket big bonuses for lack-lustre performance.


      • Some middle managers also play empire-building games, seek to undermine each other, and generally mess up the efficiency of the company.



      So in any industry there is an optimum point where the economies of scale due to additional growth are matched by the dis-economies. Companies in this industry will tend towards this size.



      Now consider the government. Its size is fixed by the size of the country and the list of jobs it does (which in turn is set by law). It is probably the biggest organization in the country, doing a vast range of different jobs under very variable circumstances.



      So on one hand there are likely to be huge dis-economies of scale where it does jobs, such as running lots of small offices, or schools, which would be more efficient if done by a small organisation.



      On the other hand it is also likely to behave in ways that prevent economies of scale, for instance running lots of small local schools instead of one big one with a fleet of buses.







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        Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
        – ohwilleke
        yesterday










      • @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
        – Paul Johnson
        11 hours ago














      • 2




        Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
        – ohwilleke
        yesterday










      • @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
        – Paul Johnson
        11 hours ago








      2




      2




      Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
      – ohwilleke
      yesterday




      Worth noting in that regard that a lot of government owned enterprises involve situations where the market is less than or equal to the most efficient scale. For example, in a rural area, there may only be enough students to support one school at an efficient size. And, few countries are so big that the benefits of competition outweigh economies of scale in terms of how many airlines the country can support.
      – ohwilleke
      yesterday












      @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
      – Paul Johnson
      11 hours ago




      @ohwilleke Interesting point, and I've modified the answer to include it. Not sure about airlines though: British Airways was privatised in 1987, and regulated monopolies are a thing (although the extent to which they are separate from government is debatable).
      – Paul Johnson
      11 hours ago











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      I've worked at both private and public institutions. Neither seem significantly more or less efficient than the other - there's tons of waste in private institutions but people don't seem to care about that as much.






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        people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
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        @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
        – agc
        yesterday










      • @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
        – Aporter
        20 hours ago










      • Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
        – T.E.D.
        4 hours ago










      • @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
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        4 hours ago
















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      I've worked at both private and public institutions. Neither seem significantly more or less efficient than the other - there's tons of waste in private institutions but people don't seem to care about that as much.






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        people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
        – Aporter
        yesterday






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        @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
        – agc
        yesterday










      • @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
        – Aporter
        20 hours ago










      • Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
        – T.E.D.
        4 hours ago










      • @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
        – David Rice
        4 hours ago














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      I've worked at both private and public institutions. Neither seem significantly more or less efficient than the other - there's tons of waste in private institutions but people don't seem to care about that as much.






      share|improve this answer












      I've worked at both private and public institutions. Neither seem significantly more or less efficient than the other - there's tons of waste in private institutions but people don't seem to care about that as much.







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      answered 2 days ago









      David Rice

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      • 1




        people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
        – Aporter
        yesterday






      • 5




        @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
        – agc
        yesterday










      • @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
        – Aporter
        20 hours ago










      • Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
        – T.E.D.
        4 hours ago










      • @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
        – David Rice
        4 hours ago














      • 1




        people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
        – Aporter
        yesterday






      • 5




        @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
        – agc
        yesterday










      • @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
        – Aporter
        20 hours ago










      • Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
        – T.E.D.
        4 hours ago










      • @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
        – David Rice
        4 hours ago








      1




      1




      people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
      – Aporter
      yesterday




      people don't care as much because it's not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies. Although the flip side is that in the case of private companies waste will drive prices up, so in theory at least the market should force such companies out of business, because they shouldn't be able to afford to compete. Of course in our crony capitalist economy where the government picks winners & losers there are many potential exceptions to this rule, which handcuffs the rules of the market. I have also worked in government & private sectors & cannot say I agree with your statement
      – Aporter
      yesterday




      5




      5




      @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
      – agc
      yesterday




      @Aporter Re "not their tax dollars being wasted at private companies": to the contrary, private companies can indirectly waste tax dollars, and use the market to handcuff the government. Villainous private companies externalize their wasteful outputs, making messes, problems and even catastrophes that the public pays the government to clean up after. Example: big tobacco produces disease, addiction, environmental pollution, irritation, and endless litter, and spends fortunes on lobbying for prolonged irresponsibility and impunity.
      – agc
      yesterday












      @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
      – Aporter
      20 hours ago




      @agc Ok I will concede that there are exceptions to the rule and as our country's economy has moved further away from free enterprise market based economy & more towards a crony capitalist, government subsidized economy the exceptions will inevitably increase.
      – Aporter
      20 hours ago












      Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
      – T.E.D.
      4 hours ago




      Anecdotal, but this answer brings up a good point. Its effectively random how well an organization works compared to others. However, in an environment where there's competition and failing organizations are allowed to go out of business, you don't see as many of the bad ones due to survivorship bias.
      – T.E.D.
      4 hours ago












      @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
      – David Rice
      4 hours ago




      @T.E.D. That only works if the ones that fail due to inefficiency aren't replaced by other inefficient organizations. Evidence seems to point to the idea that while older businesses are efficient, overall efficiency doesn't change much.
      – David Rice
      4 hours ago











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      Public institutions are inefficient because they are removed from the natural market place.
      They don't have any competition. Private businesses must be efficient to succeed in a free enterprise market economy. When you have a monopoly on any good or service there's zero motivating factors to increase efficiency.
      Also add the bureaucratic attitude that all government agencies inherently have, which is a need and desire to spend all allocated funds or risk a reduction in those funds in the following year; combined with a tenor based, versus a productivity based, pay scale and you have a tasty recipe for low productivity.






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        While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
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        @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
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        Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
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        @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
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        @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
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      Public institutions are inefficient because they are removed from the natural market place.
      They don't have any competition. Private businesses must be efficient to succeed in a free enterprise market economy. When you have a monopoly on any good or service there's zero motivating factors to increase efficiency.
      Also add the bureaucratic attitude that all government agencies inherently have, which is a need and desire to spend all allocated funds or risk a reduction in those funds in the following year; combined with a tenor based, versus a productivity based, pay scale and you have a tasty recipe for low productivity.






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        While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
        – Philipp
        2 days ago








      • 2




        @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
        – user4012
        2 days ago






      • 2




        Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
        – Aporter
        2 days ago






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        @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
        – Philipp
        2 days ago








      • 2




        @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
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      Public institutions are inefficient because they are removed from the natural market place.
      They don't have any competition. Private businesses must be efficient to succeed in a free enterprise market economy. When you have a monopoly on any good or service there's zero motivating factors to increase efficiency.
      Also add the bureaucratic attitude that all government agencies inherently have, which is a need and desire to spend all allocated funds or risk a reduction in those funds in the following year; combined with a tenor based, versus a productivity based, pay scale and you have a tasty recipe for low productivity.






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      Public institutions are inefficient because they are removed from the natural market place.
      They don't have any competition. Private businesses must be efficient to succeed in a free enterprise market economy. When you have a monopoly on any good or service there's zero motivating factors to increase efficiency.
      Also add the bureaucratic attitude that all government agencies inherently have, which is a need and desire to spend all allocated funds or risk a reduction in those funds in the following year; combined with a tenor based, versus a productivity based, pay scale and you have a tasty recipe for low productivity.







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        While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
        – Philipp
        2 days ago








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        @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
        – user4012
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        Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
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        @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
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        @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
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        While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
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        @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
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        Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
        – Aporter
        2 days ago






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        @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
        – Philipp
        2 days ago








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        @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
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      While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
      – Philipp
      2 days ago






      While there is some truth in this, it is a bit oversimplified to claim that there are zero motivating factors to increase efficiency. Public services are overseen by politicians who are accountable to their constituents and have to allocate a budget. They do exert pressure on the civil service system to work more efficiently, albeit usually not to the extend profit-oriented shareholders would.
      – Philipp
      2 days ago






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      @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
      – user4012
      2 days ago




      @Philipp - I would like even a single example of a politician losing their job over inefficient civil service offering.
      – user4012
      2 days ago




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      2




      Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
      – Aporter
      2 days ago




      Really? When was the last time you heard an elected representative run on the issue of increasing the efficiency of say the Post Office, or any other government operation or cast a ballot on that sort of an issue? I never have. In fact many of the bureaucratic agencies now write regulations, that Congress has no oversight on, despite those regulations having the force of law behind them. Nowadays most Congressmen don't even read bills before they vote on them.
      – Aporter
      2 days ago




      5




      5




      @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
      – Philipp
      2 days ago






      @user4012 I am actually working in a company which provides IT services to public service organizations and I have witnessed multiple cases of politicians pressuring the public administration system to work more efficiently. It's the reason we are in business. It is true that improving the public administration system in itself is rarely an issue which decides elections. But an effective public administration system is often required to fulfill many actual election promises, so there is an incentive for politicians to care about it.
      – Philipp
      2 days ago






      2




      2




      @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
      – user4012
      2 days ago






      @Philipp - yes, you did claim that. Quoting your comment: "politicians who are accountable to their constituents". I can accept that politicians may pressure for efficiency (for example, Holy Inquisition, or French kings' bureaucracy, were pressured by politicians to be efficient, to improve desired results). But your claim is that such pressure is specifically due to accountability to constituents, which requires proof of causality.
      – user4012
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      You're asking a political question, but the answer is simple economics. Put simply, what you are seeing is a feature of Monopolies, not Governments.



      Your stereotypical company with competitors has a limit to how incompetent it can be. Past a certain point, enough customers will use their competitors and they will go out of business.



      Even in a world where its pretty much random how efficient or how incompetent each different organization is, you'd expect to see survivorship bias. Simply, competitive companies can die, so the worst will do so. You're only seeing the survivors, and to you that looks like competence and efficiency by comparison.



      When an organization doesn't have any competitors, that's called a "monopoly". Since their customers have no choice (other than not getting the service at all), this organization plays by different rules. The inefficiency that many have come to associate with Government agencies typically is a feature of the fact that they are inherently monopolies.



      Anyone familiar with large private utility monopolies can tell you they tend to behave the same way as government agencies. There is no danger to the organization if you aren't happy with your service, and so there's nothing really stopping anyone from treating you badly, other than personal initiative. Some monopolies are better, some are worse, but of course its the worse ones you really remember.






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        You're asking a political question, but the answer is simple economics. Put simply, what you are seeing is a feature of Monopolies, not Governments.



        Your stereotypical company with competitors has a limit to how incompetent it can be. Past a certain point, enough customers will use their competitors and they will go out of business.



        Even in a world where its pretty much random how efficient or how incompetent each different organization is, you'd expect to see survivorship bias. Simply, competitive companies can die, so the worst will do so. You're only seeing the survivors, and to you that looks like competence and efficiency by comparison.



        When an organization doesn't have any competitors, that's called a "monopoly". Since their customers have no choice (other than not getting the service at all), this organization plays by different rules. The inefficiency that many have come to associate with Government agencies typically is a feature of the fact that they are inherently monopolies.



        Anyone familiar with large private utility monopolies can tell you they tend to behave the same way as government agencies. There is no danger to the organization if you aren't happy with your service, and so there's nothing really stopping anyone from treating you badly, other than personal initiative. Some monopolies are better, some are worse, but of course its the worse ones you really remember.






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          You're asking a political question, but the answer is simple economics. Put simply, what you are seeing is a feature of Monopolies, not Governments.



          Your stereotypical company with competitors has a limit to how incompetent it can be. Past a certain point, enough customers will use their competitors and they will go out of business.



          Even in a world where its pretty much random how efficient or how incompetent each different organization is, you'd expect to see survivorship bias. Simply, competitive companies can die, so the worst will do so. You're only seeing the survivors, and to you that looks like competence and efficiency by comparison.



          When an organization doesn't have any competitors, that's called a "monopoly". Since their customers have no choice (other than not getting the service at all), this organization plays by different rules. The inefficiency that many have come to associate with Government agencies typically is a feature of the fact that they are inherently monopolies.



          Anyone familiar with large private utility monopolies can tell you they tend to behave the same way as government agencies. There is no danger to the organization if you aren't happy with your service, and so there's nothing really stopping anyone from treating you badly, other than personal initiative. Some monopolies are better, some are worse, but of course its the worse ones you really remember.






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          You're asking a political question, but the answer is simple economics. Put simply, what you are seeing is a feature of Monopolies, not Governments.



          Your stereotypical company with competitors has a limit to how incompetent it can be. Past a certain point, enough customers will use their competitors and they will go out of business.



          Even in a world where its pretty much random how efficient or how incompetent each different organization is, you'd expect to see survivorship bias. Simply, competitive companies can die, so the worst will do so. You're only seeing the survivors, and to you that looks like competence and efficiency by comparison.



          When an organization doesn't have any competitors, that's called a "monopoly". Since their customers have no choice (other than not getting the service at all), this organization plays by different rules. The inefficiency that many have come to associate with Government agencies typically is a feature of the fact that they are inherently monopolies.



          Anyone familiar with large private utility monopolies can tell you they tend to behave the same way as government agencies. There is no danger to the organization if you aren't happy with your service, and so there's nothing really stopping anyone from treating you badly, other than personal initiative. Some monopolies are better, some are worse, but of course its the worse ones you really remember.







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              Private companies and institutions fill a need where there is profit available.



              So what happens when there is an overwhelming, moral or otherwise important need that does not stand to enrich private investors? What happens when profiteering from the need and misery of others is considered immoral?



              The government or other public institutions step in because government, ultimately, is supposed to serve the needs of the citizens as a priority.



              Do we know that government can't make a bigger profit or be more efficient in areas that are more easily profitable? No, but since those needs are often adequately being served by private enterprises, there is no need for the government to step in or meddle in those areas, and they don't wade in to those areas in non-socialist economies.



              So, for those who are short-sighted enough to only look at profit/loss in assessing the value of a process or entity, they are going to see a lot more profitable services being filled by private entities, and more guaranteed money-pits being run by the government.



              A better measure, perhaps, is whether competitive profit is the best determining factor for filling a need. I want a better, faster, fancier car, cell phone, computer? Sure, I can shop and choose and the market will sort that out.



              Difficult to make a "market choice" if you are deathly ill, have a rare or poorly understood disorder, or need life-saving treatment or medication. When the "choice" is "pay whatever we choose to demand or die" the consumer really doesn't have much in the way of options or ability to vote via shopping, if you want to take health care as an example.



              If our nation is at war, are we going to let the "market" determine which arms our soldiers use via equipment failures on the battlefield? No, so government pays a steep premium for up-front rigorous specification and quality controls and chooses a single winning contractor as the standard, and will wind up throwing money far beyond the original price tag to fill a need.



              Government services, generally, are driven by service, first, profit last. In the for-profit world, companies will balance service vs profit, and will give the least service they can before it becomes a losing proposition in terms of consumer choice.



              Anyone who tells you that government would be able to do everything better is probably more than a little naive. The same is also true for those who believe that greed and profit is automatically the best choice for all situations.






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                Private companies and institutions fill a need where there is profit available.



                So what happens when there is an overwhelming, moral or otherwise important need that does not stand to enrich private investors? What happens when profiteering from the need and misery of others is considered immoral?



                The government or other public institutions step in because government, ultimately, is supposed to serve the needs of the citizens as a priority.



                Do we know that government can't make a bigger profit or be more efficient in areas that are more easily profitable? No, but since those needs are often adequately being served by private enterprises, there is no need for the government to step in or meddle in those areas, and they don't wade in to those areas in non-socialist economies.



                So, for those who are short-sighted enough to only look at profit/loss in assessing the value of a process or entity, they are going to see a lot more profitable services being filled by private entities, and more guaranteed money-pits being run by the government.



                A better measure, perhaps, is whether competitive profit is the best determining factor for filling a need. I want a better, faster, fancier car, cell phone, computer? Sure, I can shop and choose and the market will sort that out.



                Difficult to make a "market choice" if you are deathly ill, have a rare or poorly understood disorder, or need life-saving treatment or medication. When the "choice" is "pay whatever we choose to demand or die" the consumer really doesn't have much in the way of options or ability to vote via shopping, if you want to take health care as an example.



                If our nation is at war, are we going to let the "market" determine which arms our soldiers use via equipment failures on the battlefield? No, so government pays a steep premium for up-front rigorous specification and quality controls and chooses a single winning contractor as the standard, and will wind up throwing money far beyond the original price tag to fill a need.



                Government services, generally, are driven by service, first, profit last. In the for-profit world, companies will balance service vs profit, and will give the least service they can before it becomes a losing proposition in terms of consumer choice.



                Anyone who tells you that government would be able to do everything better is probably more than a little naive. The same is also true for those who believe that greed and profit is automatically the best choice for all situations.






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                  Private companies and institutions fill a need where there is profit available.



                  So what happens when there is an overwhelming, moral or otherwise important need that does not stand to enrich private investors? What happens when profiteering from the need and misery of others is considered immoral?



                  The government or other public institutions step in because government, ultimately, is supposed to serve the needs of the citizens as a priority.



                  Do we know that government can't make a bigger profit or be more efficient in areas that are more easily profitable? No, but since those needs are often adequately being served by private enterprises, there is no need for the government to step in or meddle in those areas, and they don't wade in to those areas in non-socialist economies.



                  So, for those who are short-sighted enough to only look at profit/loss in assessing the value of a process or entity, they are going to see a lot more profitable services being filled by private entities, and more guaranteed money-pits being run by the government.



                  A better measure, perhaps, is whether competitive profit is the best determining factor for filling a need. I want a better, faster, fancier car, cell phone, computer? Sure, I can shop and choose and the market will sort that out.



                  Difficult to make a "market choice" if you are deathly ill, have a rare or poorly understood disorder, or need life-saving treatment or medication. When the "choice" is "pay whatever we choose to demand or die" the consumer really doesn't have much in the way of options or ability to vote via shopping, if you want to take health care as an example.



                  If our nation is at war, are we going to let the "market" determine which arms our soldiers use via equipment failures on the battlefield? No, so government pays a steep premium for up-front rigorous specification and quality controls and chooses a single winning contractor as the standard, and will wind up throwing money far beyond the original price tag to fill a need.



                  Government services, generally, are driven by service, first, profit last. In the for-profit world, companies will balance service vs profit, and will give the least service they can before it becomes a losing proposition in terms of consumer choice.



                  Anyone who tells you that government would be able to do everything better is probably more than a little naive. The same is also true for those who believe that greed and profit is automatically the best choice for all situations.






                  share|improve this answer












                  Private companies and institutions fill a need where there is profit available.



                  So what happens when there is an overwhelming, moral or otherwise important need that does not stand to enrich private investors? What happens when profiteering from the need and misery of others is considered immoral?



                  The government or other public institutions step in because government, ultimately, is supposed to serve the needs of the citizens as a priority.



                  Do we know that government can't make a bigger profit or be more efficient in areas that are more easily profitable? No, but since those needs are often adequately being served by private enterprises, there is no need for the government to step in or meddle in those areas, and they don't wade in to those areas in non-socialist economies.



                  So, for those who are short-sighted enough to only look at profit/loss in assessing the value of a process or entity, they are going to see a lot more profitable services being filled by private entities, and more guaranteed money-pits being run by the government.



                  A better measure, perhaps, is whether competitive profit is the best determining factor for filling a need. I want a better, faster, fancier car, cell phone, computer? Sure, I can shop and choose and the market will sort that out.



                  Difficult to make a "market choice" if you are deathly ill, have a rare or poorly understood disorder, or need life-saving treatment or medication. When the "choice" is "pay whatever we choose to demand or die" the consumer really doesn't have much in the way of options or ability to vote via shopping, if you want to take health care as an example.



                  If our nation is at war, are we going to let the "market" determine which arms our soldiers use via equipment failures on the battlefield? No, so government pays a steep premium for up-front rigorous specification and quality controls and chooses a single winning contractor as the standard, and will wind up throwing money far beyond the original price tag to fill a need.



                  Government services, generally, are driven by service, first, profit last. In the for-profit world, companies will balance service vs profit, and will give the least service they can before it becomes a losing proposition in terms of consumer choice.



                  Anyone who tells you that government would be able to do everything better is probably more than a little naive. The same is also true for those who believe that greed and profit is automatically the best choice for all situations.







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                      Public institutions are by definition inefficient. Efficiency is an economic term describing profitability. Public institutions are definitionally irrational. Rational market agents maximise profits. Definitionally public institutions reflect the State’s will. The State’s will is not profit maximisation: minimally the state must maintain a monopoly of force which is in contradiction to profit maximisation.



                      Assuming a democratic state where institutions perfectly reflect the public will, workplace democracy is incompatible with this. Sectional wills aren’t equivalent to the total will. Local democracies aren’t identical with the democratic state.



                      Would workplace democracy in an efficient workplace reduce inequality? Is workplace democracy profit maximisation?



                      I believe you’re gesturing at post-capitalist economic relations and the question of calculating the extent to which chosen economics (“planning” “workplace democracy”) produces the desired quantity of the good things in life with the least objectionable labour.






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                        Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
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                      • And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
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                      Public institutions are by definition inefficient. Efficiency is an economic term describing profitability. Public institutions are definitionally irrational. Rational market agents maximise profits. Definitionally public institutions reflect the State’s will. The State’s will is not profit maximisation: minimally the state must maintain a monopoly of force which is in contradiction to profit maximisation.



                      Assuming a democratic state where institutions perfectly reflect the public will, workplace democracy is incompatible with this. Sectional wills aren’t equivalent to the total will. Local democracies aren’t identical with the democratic state.



                      Would workplace democracy in an efficient workplace reduce inequality? Is workplace democracy profit maximisation?



                      I believe you’re gesturing at post-capitalist economic relations and the question of calculating the extent to which chosen economics (“planning” “workplace democracy”) produces the desired quantity of the good things in life with the least objectionable labour.






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                        Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
                        – Erik
                        2 days ago










                      • And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
                        – sleske
                        6 hours ago














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                      Public institutions are by definition inefficient. Efficiency is an economic term describing profitability. Public institutions are definitionally irrational. Rational market agents maximise profits. Definitionally public institutions reflect the State’s will. The State’s will is not profit maximisation: minimally the state must maintain a monopoly of force which is in contradiction to profit maximisation.



                      Assuming a democratic state where institutions perfectly reflect the public will, workplace democracy is incompatible with this. Sectional wills aren’t equivalent to the total will. Local democracies aren’t identical with the democratic state.



                      Would workplace democracy in an efficient workplace reduce inequality? Is workplace democracy profit maximisation?



                      I believe you’re gesturing at post-capitalist economic relations and the question of calculating the extent to which chosen economics (“planning” “workplace democracy”) produces the desired quantity of the good things in life with the least objectionable labour.






                      share|improve this answer












                      Public institutions are by definition inefficient. Efficiency is an economic term describing profitability. Public institutions are definitionally irrational. Rational market agents maximise profits. Definitionally public institutions reflect the State’s will. The State’s will is not profit maximisation: minimally the state must maintain a monopoly of force which is in contradiction to profit maximisation.



                      Assuming a democratic state where institutions perfectly reflect the public will, workplace democracy is incompatible with this. Sectional wills aren’t equivalent to the total will. Local democracies aren’t identical with the democratic state.



                      Would workplace democracy in an efficient workplace reduce inequality? Is workplace democracy profit maximisation?



                      I believe you’re gesturing at post-capitalist economic relations and the question of calculating the extent to which chosen economics (“planning” “workplace democracy”) produces the desired quantity of the good things in life with the least objectionable labour.







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                        Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
                        – Erik
                        2 days ago










                      • And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
                        – sleske
                        6 hours ago














                      • 5




                        Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
                        – Erik
                        2 days ago










                      • And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
                        – sleske
                        6 hours ago








                      5




                      5




                      Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
                      – Erik
                      2 days ago




                      Efficiency is a much broader term that just "describing profitability" and that doesn't seem like the one the OP was referring to.
                      – Erik
                      2 days ago












                      And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
                      – sleske
                      6 hours ago




                      And BTW, that's not what "by definition" means. Just my personal pet peeve...
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