A twist of fate
I’ve spent the last few days savouring the phrase “A twist of fate”, either there isn’t much written about, or it is swamped by other people using it.
From what seen on the internet it seems to be medieval in origin, but I imagine it’s roots are deeper still.
What are it’s origins, and is a “twist of lemon” a riff on it?
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I’ve spent the last few days savouring the phrase “A twist of fate”, either there isn’t much written about, or it is swamped by other people using it.
From what seen on the internet it seems to be medieval in origin, but I imagine it’s roots are deeper still.
What are it’s origins, and is a “twist of lemon” a riff on it?
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Would be helpful to include a reference to the source that leads you to believe that the term is medieval in origin -- this seems to make a big difference and I would not have guessed it to be the case, so would be good to include so answers have that to work from.
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I’ve spent the last few days savouring the phrase “A twist of fate”, either there isn’t much written about, or it is swamped by other people using it.
From what seen on the internet it seems to be medieval in origin, but I imagine it’s roots are deeper still.
What are it’s origins, and is a “twist of lemon” a riff on it?
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I’ve spent the last few days savouring the phrase “A twist of fate”, either there isn’t much written about, or it is swamped by other people using it.
From what seen on the internet it seems to be medieval in origin, but I imagine it’s roots are deeper still.
What are it’s origins, and is a “twist of lemon” a riff on it?
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Would be helpful to include a reference to the source that leads you to believe that the term is medieval in origin -- this seems to make a big difference and I would not have guessed it to be the case, so would be good to include so answers have that to work from.
– jkf
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Would be helpful to include a reference to the source that leads you to believe that the term is medieval in origin -- this seems to make a big difference and I would not have guessed it to be the case, so would be good to include so answers have that to work from.
– jkf
6 hours ago
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Would be helpful to include a reference to the source that leads you to believe that the term is medieval in origin -- this seems to make a big difference and I would not have guessed it to be the case, so would be good to include so answers have that to work from.
– jkf
6 hours ago
Would be helpful to include a reference to the source that leads you to believe that the term is medieval in origin -- this seems to make a big difference and I would not have guessed it to be the case, so would be good to include so answers have that to work from.
– jkf
6 hours ago
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The earliest usage example of “twist of fate” I could find so far is from the mid 19th century:
“Pierre; Or, The Ambiguities” by Herman Melville - 1852 -
And now we behold this hapless youth all eager to involve himself in such an inextricable twist of Fate, that the three dextrous maids themselves could hardly disentangle him, if once he tie the complicating knots about him and Isabel. Ah, thou ...
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the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
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You are asking about two different senses of twist. The first refers to some concrete physical item that has been twisted:
twist n
1. Something twisted or formed by twisting, especially:
a. A length of yarn, cord, or thread, especially a strong silk thread used mainly to bind the edges of buttonholes.
b. Tobacco leaves processed into the form of a rope or roll.
c. A loaf of bread or other bakery product made from pieces of dough twisted together.
d. A sliver of citrus peel twisted over or dropped into a beverage for flavoring.
And the second refers to a more abstract convolution, like an unexpected turn in a story or process:
- An unexpected change in a process or a departure from a pattern, often producing a distortion or perversion: a twist of fate; a story with a quirky twist.
The Free Dictionary Online
The noun form is attested from the mid-14th century, according to Etymonline:
mid-14c., "flat part of a hinge" (now obsolete), probably from Old English -twist "divided object; fork; rope" (as in mæsttwist "mast rope, stay;" candeltwist "wick"), from Proto-Germanic *twis-, from PIE root *dwo- "two." Original senses suggest "dividing in two" (source also of cognate Old Norse tvistra "to divide, separate," Gothic twis- "in two, asunder," Dutch twist, German zwist "quarrel, discord," though these senses have no equivalent in English), but later ones are of "combining two into one," hence the original sense of the word may be "rope made of two strands."
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The earliest usage example of “twist of fate” I could find so far is from the mid 19th century:
“Pierre; Or, The Ambiguities” by Herman Melville - 1852 -
And now we behold this hapless youth all eager to involve himself in such an inextricable twist of Fate, that the three dextrous maids themselves could hardly disentangle him, if once he tie the complicating knots about him and Isabel. Ah, thou ...
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the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
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The earliest usage example of “twist of fate” I could find so far is from the mid 19th century:
“Pierre; Or, The Ambiguities” by Herman Melville - 1852 -
And now we behold this hapless youth all eager to involve himself in such an inextricable twist of Fate, that the three dextrous maids themselves could hardly disentangle him, if once he tie the complicating knots about him and Isabel. Ah, thou ...
5
the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
add a comment |
The earliest usage example of “twist of fate” I could find so far is from the mid 19th century:
“Pierre; Or, The Ambiguities” by Herman Melville - 1852 -
And now we behold this hapless youth all eager to involve himself in such an inextricable twist of Fate, that the three dextrous maids themselves could hardly disentangle him, if once he tie the complicating knots about him and Isabel. Ah, thou ...
The earliest usage example of “twist of fate” I could find so far is from the mid 19th century:
“Pierre; Or, The Ambiguities” by Herman Melville - 1852 -
And now we behold this hapless youth all eager to involve himself in such an inextricable twist of Fate, that the three dextrous maids themselves could hardly disentangle him, if once he tie the complicating knots about him and Isabel. Ah, thou ...
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the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
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the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
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the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
the three dextrous maids themselves That's what first occurred to me when reading the question: the Fates, who twist and weave the threads of mortal lives.
– tmgr
11 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
+1 for this ^ comment. In Greek mythology, the Fates literally "twist" your destiny. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai#Origins
– Rob Starling
5 hours ago
add a comment |
You are asking about two different senses of twist. The first refers to some concrete physical item that has been twisted:
twist n
1. Something twisted or formed by twisting, especially:
a. A length of yarn, cord, or thread, especially a strong silk thread used mainly to bind the edges of buttonholes.
b. Tobacco leaves processed into the form of a rope or roll.
c. A loaf of bread or other bakery product made from pieces of dough twisted together.
d. A sliver of citrus peel twisted over or dropped into a beverage for flavoring.
And the second refers to a more abstract convolution, like an unexpected turn in a story or process:
- An unexpected change in a process or a departure from a pattern, often producing a distortion or perversion: a twist of fate; a story with a quirky twist.
The Free Dictionary Online
The noun form is attested from the mid-14th century, according to Etymonline:
mid-14c., "flat part of a hinge" (now obsolete), probably from Old English -twist "divided object; fork; rope" (as in mæsttwist "mast rope, stay;" candeltwist "wick"), from Proto-Germanic *twis-, from PIE root *dwo- "two." Original senses suggest "dividing in two" (source also of cognate Old Norse tvistra "to divide, separate," Gothic twis- "in two, asunder," Dutch twist, German zwist "quarrel, discord," though these senses have no equivalent in English), but later ones are of "combining two into one," hence the original sense of the word may be "rope made of two strands."
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You are asking about two different senses of twist. The first refers to some concrete physical item that has been twisted:
twist n
1. Something twisted or formed by twisting, especially:
a. A length of yarn, cord, or thread, especially a strong silk thread used mainly to bind the edges of buttonholes.
b. Tobacco leaves processed into the form of a rope or roll.
c. A loaf of bread or other bakery product made from pieces of dough twisted together.
d. A sliver of citrus peel twisted over or dropped into a beverage for flavoring.
And the second refers to a more abstract convolution, like an unexpected turn in a story or process:
- An unexpected change in a process or a departure from a pattern, often producing a distortion or perversion: a twist of fate; a story with a quirky twist.
The Free Dictionary Online
The noun form is attested from the mid-14th century, according to Etymonline:
mid-14c., "flat part of a hinge" (now obsolete), probably from Old English -twist "divided object; fork; rope" (as in mæsttwist "mast rope, stay;" candeltwist "wick"), from Proto-Germanic *twis-, from PIE root *dwo- "two." Original senses suggest "dividing in two" (source also of cognate Old Norse tvistra "to divide, separate," Gothic twis- "in two, asunder," Dutch twist, German zwist "quarrel, discord," though these senses have no equivalent in English), but later ones are of "combining two into one," hence the original sense of the word may be "rope made of two strands."
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You are asking about two different senses of twist. The first refers to some concrete physical item that has been twisted:
twist n
1. Something twisted or formed by twisting, especially:
a. A length of yarn, cord, or thread, especially a strong silk thread used mainly to bind the edges of buttonholes.
b. Tobacco leaves processed into the form of a rope or roll.
c. A loaf of bread or other bakery product made from pieces of dough twisted together.
d. A sliver of citrus peel twisted over or dropped into a beverage for flavoring.
And the second refers to a more abstract convolution, like an unexpected turn in a story or process:
- An unexpected change in a process or a departure from a pattern, often producing a distortion or perversion: a twist of fate; a story with a quirky twist.
The Free Dictionary Online
The noun form is attested from the mid-14th century, according to Etymonline:
mid-14c., "flat part of a hinge" (now obsolete), probably from Old English -twist "divided object; fork; rope" (as in mæsttwist "mast rope, stay;" candeltwist "wick"), from Proto-Germanic *twis-, from PIE root *dwo- "two." Original senses suggest "dividing in two" (source also of cognate Old Norse tvistra "to divide, separate," Gothic twis- "in two, asunder," Dutch twist, German zwist "quarrel, discord," though these senses have no equivalent in English), but later ones are of "combining two into one," hence the original sense of the word may be "rope made of two strands."
You are asking about two different senses of twist. The first refers to some concrete physical item that has been twisted:
twist n
1. Something twisted or formed by twisting, especially:
a. A length of yarn, cord, or thread, especially a strong silk thread used mainly to bind the edges of buttonholes.
b. Tobacco leaves processed into the form of a rope or roll.
c. A loaf of bread or other bakery product made from pieces of dough twisted together.
d. A sliver of citrus peel twisted over or dropped into a beverage for flavoring.
And the second refers to a more abstract convolution, like an unexpected turn in a story or process:
- An unexpected change in a process or a departure from a pattern, often producing a distortion or perversion: a twist of fate; a story with a quirky twist.
The Free Dictionary Online
The noun form is attested from the mid-14th century, according to Etymonline:
mid-14c., "flat part of a hinge" (now obsolete), probably from Old English -twist "divided object; fork; rope" (as in mæsttwist "mast rope, stay;" candeltwist "wick"), from Proto-Germanic *twis-, from PIE root *dwo- "two." Original senses suggest "dividing in two" (source also of cognate Old Norse tvistra "to divide, separate," Gothic twis- "in two, asunder," Dutch twist, German zwist "quarrel, discord," though these senses have no equivalent in English), but later ones are of "combining two into one," hence the original sense of the word may be "rope made of two strands."
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Would be helpful to include a reference to the source that leads you to believe that the term is medieval in origin -- this seems to make a big difference and I would not have guessed it to be the case, so would be good to include so answers have that to work from.
– jkf
6 hours ago