Understanding the purported ambiguity in “Every boy didn’t run”
I am a computer science professional.
I am reading the book Natural Language Understanding by James Allen where he writes:
“Every boy didn’t run” which is ambiguous between the reading in which
some boys didn’t run and some did and no boys ran.
As I am not a native English-language speaker, I couldn’t understand
the ambiguity here. Please explain how the meaning can ever be some boys
didn’t run and some did here.
ambiguity negation logic
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I am a computer science professional.
I am reading the book Natural Language Understanding by James Allen where he writes:
“Every boy didn’t run” which is ambiguous between the reading in which
some boys didn’t run and some did and no boys ran.
As I am not a native English-language speaker, I couldn’t understand
the ambiguity here. Please explain how the meaning can ever be some boys
didn’t run and some did here.
ambiguity negation logic
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Provide the broad context: Full sentence. Along with the previous and following sentences, preferably the entire paragraph. Include a link to the source, if possible. Good Luck.
– Kris
8 hours ago
2
“Between” normally requires 2 explicit arguments or 1 plural argument: between left and right, between them. Your quote only specifies one explicit argument. What is the other? (Presumably, the case where all boys ran.)
– Lawrence
8 hours ago
4
That sentence you quoted doesn’t make sense. But presumably the intention is that “every boy didn’t run” can mean either “every boy refrained from running (no boys ran)” or “not every boy ran (but some may have)”.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet Grammatically ambiguous, as you point out, but importantly it is not idiomatic. In English we never say "Every one didn't...", but "Nobody did...". But one could say "Not every boy went", if that was the meaning we intended.
– WS2
44 mins ago
@WS2 We do sometimes use the construction in both meanings. It’s not the default construction for either meaning, but it can be idiomatic for both. If every is stressed, the ‘not every boy’ meaning is common enough; the other meaning requires a more specific context, but can work: “I went to four different shops and tried on at least fifteen different dresses, and every single dress didn’t fit me!” is quite natural to me and obviously means that none of the dresses fit.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
36 mins ago
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I am a computer science professional.
I am reading the book Natural Language Understanding by James Allen where he writes:
“Every boy didn’t run” which is ambiguous between the reading in which
some boys didn’t run and some did and no boys ran.
As I am not a native English-language speaker, I couldn’t understand
the ambiguity here. Please explain how the meaning can ever be some boys
didn’t run and some did here.
ambiguity negation logic
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I am a computer science professional.
I am reading the book Natural Language Understanding by James Allen where he writes:
“Every boy didn’t run” which is ambiguous between the reading in which
some boys didn’t run and some did and no boys ran.
As I am not a native English-language speaker, I couldn’t understand
the ambiguity here. Please explain how the meaning can ever be some boys
didn’t run and some did here.
ambiguity negation logic
ambiguity negation logic
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Provide the broad context: Full sentence. Along with the previous and following sentences, preferably the entire paragraph. Include a link to the source, if possible. Good Luck.
– Kris
8 hours ago
2
“Between” normally requires 2 explicit arguments or 1 plural argument: between left and right, between them. Your quote only specifies one explicit argument. What is the other? (Presumably, the case where all boys ran.)
– Lawrence
8 hours ago
4
That sentence you quoted doesn’t make sense. But presumably the intention is that “every boy didn’t run” can mean either “every boy refrained from running (no boys ran)” or “not every boy ran (but some may have)”.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet Grammatically ambiguous, as you point out, but importantly it is not idiomatic. In English we never say "Every one didn't...", but "Nobody did...". But one could say "Not every boy went", if that was the meaning we intended.
– WS2
44 mins ago
@WS2 We do sometimes use the construction in both meanings. It’s not the default construction for either meaning, but it can be idiomatic for both. If every is stressed, the ‘not every boy’ meaning is common enough; the other meaning requires a more specific context, but can work: “I went to four different shops and tried on at least fifteen different dresses, and every single dress didn’t fit me!” is quite natural to me and obviously means that none of the dresses fit.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
36 mins ago
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Provide the broad context: Full sentence. Along with the previous and following sentences, preferably the entire paragraph. Include a link to the source, if possible. Good Luck.
– Kris
8 hours ago
2
“Between” normally requires 2 explicit arguments or 1 plural argument: between left and right, between them. Your quote only specifies one explicit argument. What is the other? (Presumably, the case where all boys ran.)
– Lawrence
8 hours ago
4
That sentence you quoted doesn’t make sense. But presumably the intention is that “every boy didn’t run” can mean either “every boy refrained from running (no boys ran)” or “not every boy ran (but some may have)”.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet Grammatically ambiguous, as you point out, but importantly it is not idiomatic. In English we never say "Every one didn't...", but "Nobody did...". But one could say "Not every boy went", if that was the meaning we intended.
– WS2
44 mins ago
@WS2 We do sometimes use the construction in both meanings. It’s not the default construction for either meaning, but it can be idiomatic for both. If every is stressed, the ‘not every boy’ meaning is common enough; the other meaning requires a more specific context, but can work: “I went to four different shops and tried on at least fifteen different dresses, and every single dress didn’t fit me!” is quite natural to me and obviously means that none of the dresses fit.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
36 mins ago
Provide the broad context: Full sentence. Along with the previous and following sentences, preferably the entire paragraph. Include a link to the source, if possible. Good Luck.
– Kris
8 hours ago
Provide the broad context: Full sentence. Along with the previous and following sentences, preferably the entire paragraph. Include a link to the source, if possible. Good Luck.
– Kris
8 hours ago
2
2
“Between” normally requires 2 explicit arguments or 1 plural argument: between left and right, between them. Your quote only specifies one explicit argument. What is the other? (Presumably, the case where all boys ran.)
– Lawrence
8 hours ago
“Between” normally requires 2 explicit arguments or 1 plural argument: between left and right, between them. Your quote only specifies one explicit argument. What is the other? (Presumably, the case where all boys ran.)
– Lawrence
8 hours ago
4
4
That sentence you quoted doesn’t make sense. But presumably the intention is that “every boy didn’t run” can mean either “every boy refrained from running (no boys ran)” or “not every boy ran (but some may have)”.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
That sentence you quoted doesn’t make sense. But presumably the intention is that “every boy didn’t run” can mean either “every boy refrained from running (no boys ran)” or “not every boy ran (but some may have)”.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet Grammatically ambiguous, as you point out, but importantly it is not idiomatic. In English we never say "Every one didn't...", but "Nobody did...". But one could say "Not every boy went", if that was the meaning we intended.
– WS2
44 mins ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet Grammatically ambiguous, as you point out, but importantly it is not idiomatic. In English we never say "Every one didn't...", but "Nobody did...". But one could say "Not every boy went", if that was the meaning we intended.
– WS2
44 mins ago
@WS2 We do sometimes use the construction in both meanings. It’s not the default construction for either meaning, but it can be idiomatic for both. If every is stressed, the ‘not every boy’ meaning is common enough; the other meaning requires a more specific context, but can work: “I went to four different shops and tried on at least fifteen different dresses, and every single dress didn’t fit me!” is quite natural to me and obviously means that none of the dresses fit.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
36 mins ago
@WS2 We do sometimes use the construction in both meanings. It’s not the default construction for either meaning, but it can be idiomatic for both. If every is stressed, the ‘not every boy’ meaning is common enough; the other meaning requires a more specific context, but can work: “I went to four different shops and tried on at least fifteen different dresses, and every single dress didn’t fit me!” is quite natural to me and obviously means that none of the dresses fit.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
36 mins ago
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If "every" is in the scope of "not", it means "It is not the case that every boy ran," or, that is, "Some boy didn't run," or "Not every boy ran." That is the preferred interpretation if every is focused or emphasized: "Every boy didn't run" with rising intonation at the end.
If "not" is in the scope of "every", it means "For every boy it is true that that boy didn't run," or, that is, "No boy ran." For some English speakers, this is not a possible interpretation.
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I think it's meant to be ambiguous between
only true if 0% ran
or
not 100% ran (i.e. true if 50% ran).
Edit:
I found the excerpt of the book in question - looks like I was right:
In addition, operators such as negation and tense are also scope sensitive. For example, the sentence Every boy didn't run is ambiguous between the reading in which some boys didn't run and some did, that is,
(NOT (EVERY bl: (BOY1 bl) (RUN1 bl)))
and the reading where no boys ran, that is,
(EVERY bl : (BOY1 bl) (NOT (RUN 1 bl))) These two readings are captured by the single logical form
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Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
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The quote would be clearer if it spoke of the difference between the reading in which all boys didn’t run and (that in which) some did.
In the positive version “every boy ran”, there is no ambiguity: 100% of the boys ran.
Logically, “every boy didn’t run” follows the same pattern: for each boy x, the statement asserts that x didn’t run. That is, the negation in “didn’t” applies to the action “run”.
The problem is that in English, the form has also been used idiomatically to assert something different: that not all of the boys ran. That is, the negation in didn’t applies to the qualifier “every”.
Here is a classical example:
- all that glitters is not gold
Wikipedia traces this (or variants) to a Latin quote dated to the 12th century or earlier, and popularised by Shakespeare in The Merchant of Venice.
The article mentions a 1175 version by the French monk Alain de Lille: "Do not hold everything gold that shines like gold", where the logical meaning matches the literary intent. The version popularised by Shakespeare, however, sounds more catchy even though its logic is wonky.
As a result, the literary meaning of the form “all that (...) is/does not (...)” no longer matches its literal/logical meaning.
One might try to argue that the literary meaning should be deemed ‘incorrect’ or ‘inaccurate’, but it is precisely this kind of idiomatic usage of language that lies behind the ambiguity your quote highlights.
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If "every" is in the scope of "not", it means "It is not the case that every boy ran," or, that is, "Some boy didn't run," or "Not every boy ran." That is the preferred interpretation if every is focused or emphasized: "Every boy didn't run" with rising intonation at the end.
If "not" is in the scope of "every", it means "For every boy it is true that that boy didn't run," or, that is, "No boy ran." For some English speakers, this is not a possible interpretation.
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If "every" is in the scope of "not", it means "It is not the case that every boy ran," or, that is, "Some boy didn't run," or "Not every boy ran." That is the preferred interpretation if every is focused or emphasized: "Every boy didn't run" with rising intonation at the end.
If "not" is in the scope of "every", it means "For every boy it is true that that boy didn't run," or, that is, "No boy ran." For some English speakers, this is not a possible interpretation.
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If "every" is in the scope of "not", it means "It is not the case that every boy ran," or, that is, "Some boy didn't run," or "Not every boy ran." That is the preferred interpretation if every is focused or emphasized: "Every boy didn't run" with rising intonation at the end.
If "not" is in the scope of "every", it means "For every boy it is true that that boy didn't run," or, that is, "No boy ran." For some English speakers, this is not a possible interpretation.
If "every" is in the scope of "not", it means "It is not the case that every boy ran," or, that is, "Some boy didn't run," or "Not every boy ran." That is the preferred interpretation if every is focused or emphasized: "Every boy didn't run" with rising intonation at the end.
If "not" is in the scope of "every", it means "For every boy it is true that that boy didn't run," or, that is, "No boy ran." For some English speakers, this is not a possible interpretation.
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I think it's meant to be ambiguous between
only true if 0% ran
or
not 100% ran (i.e. true if 50% ran).
Edit:
I found the excerpt of the book in question - looks like I was right:
In addition, operators such as negation and tense are also scope sensitive. For example, the sentence Every boy didn't run is ambiguous between the reading in which some boys didn't run and some did, that is,
(NOT (EVERY bl: (BOY1 bl) (RUN1 bl)))
and the reading where no boys ran, that is,
(EVERY bl : (BOY1 bl) (NOT (RUN 1 bl))) These two readings are captured by the single logical form
New contributor
1
Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
add a comment |
I think it's meant to be ambiguous between
only true if 0% ran
or
not 100% ran (i.e. true if 50% ran).
Edit:
I found the excerpt of the book in question - looks like I was right:
In addition, operators such as negation and tense are also scope sensitive. For example, the sentence Every boy didn't run is ambiguous between the reading in which some boys didn't run and some did, that is,
(NOT (EVERY bl: (BOY1 bl) (RUN1 bl)))
and the reading where no boys ran, that is,
(EVERY bl : (BOY1 bl) (NOT (RUN 1 bl))) These two readings are captured by the single logical form
New contributor
1
Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
add a comment |
I think it's meant to be ambiguous between
only true if 0% ran
or
not 100% ran (i.e. true if 50% ran).
Edit:
I found the excerpt of the book in question - looks like I was right:
In addition, operators such as negation and tense are also scope sensitive. For example, the sentence Every boy didn't run is ambiguous between the reading in which some boys didn't run and some did, that is,
(NOT (EVERY bl: (BOY1 bl) (RUN1 bl)))
and the reading where no boys ran, that is,
(EVERY bl : (BOY1 bl) (NOT (RUN 1 bl))) These two readings are captured by the single logical form
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I think it's meant to be ambiguous between
only true if 0% ran
or
not 100% ran (i.e. true if 50% ran).
Edit:
I found the excerpt of the book in question - looks like I was right:
In addition, operators such as negation and tense are also scope sensitive. For example, the sentence Every boy didn't run is ambiguous between the reading in which some boys didn't run and some did, that is,
(NOT (EVERY bl: (BOY1 bl) (RUN1 bl)))
and the reading where no boys ran, that is,
(EVERY bl : (BOY1 bl) (NOT (RUN 1 bl))) These two readings are captured by the single logical form
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Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
1
1
Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
Ah, the OP has incorrectly interpreted the sentence. The book doesn't say the two options are "some boys didn't run" and "some did", rather it says the two options are "some boys didn't run and some did" and "no boys ran".
– AndyT
6 hours ago
add a comment |
The quote would be clearer if it spoke of the difference between the reading in which all boys didn’t run and (that in which) some did.
In the positive version “every boy ran”, there is no ambiguity: 100% of the boys ran.
Logically, “every boy didn’t run” follows the same pattern: for each boy x, the statement asserts that x didn’t run. That is, the negation in “didn’t” applies to the action “run”.
The problem is that in English, the form has also been used idiomatically to assert something different: that not all of the boys ran. That is, the negation in didn’t applies to the qualifier “every”.
Here is a classical example:
- all that glitters is not gold
Wikipedia traces this (or variants) to a Latin quote dated to the 12th century or earlier, and popularised by Shakespeare in The Merchant of Venice.
The article mentions a 1175 version by the French monk Alain de Lille: "Do not hold everything gold that shines like gold", where the logical meaning matches the literary intent. The version popularised by Shakespeare, however, sounds more catchy even though its logic is wonky.
As a result, the literary meaning of the form “all that (...) is/does not (...)” no longer matches its literal/logical meaning.
One might try to argue that the literary meaning should be deemed ‘incorrect’ or ‘inaccurate’, but it is precisely this kind of idiomatic usage of language that lies behind the ambiguity your quote highlights.
add a comment |
The quote would be clearer if it spoke of the difference between the reading in which all boys didn’t run and (that in which) some did.
In the positive version “every boy ran”, there is no ambiguity: 100% of the boys ran.
Logically, “every boy didn’t run” follows the same pattern: for each boy x, the statement asserts that x didn’t run. That is, the negation in “didn’t” applies to the action “run”.
The problem is that in English, the form has also been used idiomatically to assert something different: that not all of the boys ran. That is, the negation in didn’t applies to the qualifier “every”.
Here is a classical example:
- all that glitters is not gold
Wikipedia traces this (or variants) to a Latin quote dated to the 12th century or earlier, and popularised by Shakespeare in The Merchant of Venice.
The article mentions a 1175 version by the French monk Alain de Lille: "Do not hold everything gold that shines like gold", where the logical meaning matches the literary intent. The version popularised by Shakespeare, however, sounds more catchy even though its logic is wonky.
As a result, the literary meaning of the form “all that (...) is/does not (...)” no longer matches its literal/logical meaning.
One might try to argue that the literary meaning should be deemed ‘incorrect’ or ‘inaccurate’, but it is precisely this kind of idiomatic usage of language that lies behind the ambiguity your quote highlights.
add a comment |
The quote would be clearer if it spoke of the difference between the reading in which all boys didn’t run and (that in which) some did.
In the positive version “every boy ran”, there is no ambiguity: 100% of the boys ran.
Logically, “every boy didn’t run” follows the same pattern: for each boy x, the statement asserts that x didn’t run. That is, the negation in “didn’t” applies to the action “run”.
The problem is that in English, the form has also been used idiomatically to assert something different: that not all of the boys ran. That is, the negation in didn’t applies to the qualifier “every”.
Here is a classical example:
- all that glitters is not gold
Wikipedia traces this (or variants) to a Latin quote dated to the 12th century or earlier, and popularised by Shakespeare in The Merchant of Venice.
The article mentions a 1175 version by the French monk Alain de Lille: "Do not hold everything gold that shines like gold", where the logical meaning matches the literary intent. The version popularised by Shakespeare, however, sounds more catchy even though its logic is wonky.
As a result, the literary meaning of the form “all that (...) is/does not (...)” no longer matches its literal/logical meaning.
One might try to argue that the literary meaning should be deemed ‘incorrect’ or ‘inaccurate’, but it is precisely this kind of idiomatic usage of language that lies behind the ambiguity your quote highlights.
The quote would be clearer if it spoke of the difference between the reading in which all boys didn’t run and (that in which) some did.
In the positive version “every boy ran”, there is no ambiguity: 100% of the boys ran.
Logically, “every boy didn’t run” follows the same pattern: for each boy x, the statement asserts that x didn’t run. That is, the negation in “didn’t” applies to the action “run”.
The problem is that in English, the form has also been used idiomatically to assert something different: that not all of the boys ran. That is, the negation in didn’t applies to the qualifier “every”.
Here is a classical example:
- all that glitters is not gold
Wikipedia traces this (or variants) to a Latin quote dated to the 12th century or earlier, and popularised by Shakespeare in The Merchant of Venice.
The article mentions a 1175 version by the French monk Alain de Lille: "Do not hold everything gold that shines like gold", where the logical meaning matches the literary intent. The version popularised by Shakespeare, however, sounds more catchy even though its logic is wonky.
As a result, the literary meaning of the form “all that (...) is/does not (...)” no longer matches its literal/logical meaning.
One might try to argue that the literary meaning should be deemed ‘incorrect’ or ‘inaccurate’, but it is precisely this kind of idiomatic usage of language that lies behind the ambiguity your quote highlights.
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Provide the broad context: Full sentence. Along with the previous and following sentences, preferably the entire paragraph. Include a link to the source, if possible. Good Luck.
– Kris
8 hours ago
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“Between” normally requires 2 explicit arguments or 1 plural argument: between left and right, between them. Your quote only specifies one explicit argument. What is the other? (Presumably, the case where all boys ran.)
– Lawrence
8 hours ago
4
That sentence you quoted doesn’t make sense. But presumably the intention is that “every boy didn’t run” can mean either “every boy refrained from running (no boys ran)” or “not every boy ran (but some may have)”.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet Grammatically ambiguous, as you point out, but importantly it is not idiomatic. In English we never say "Every one didn't...", but "Nobody did...". But one could say "Not every boy went", if that was the meaning we intended.
– WS2
44 mins ago
@WS2 We do sometimes use the construction in both meanings. It’s not the default construction for either meaning, but it can be idiomatic for both. If every is stressed, the ‘not every boy’ meaning is common enough; the other meaning requires a more specific context, but can work: “I went to four different shops and tried on at least fifteen different dresses, and every single dress didn’t fit me!” is quite natural to me and obviously means that none of the dresses fit.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
36 mins ago