Is the Avian species from the game Starbound plausible?
I apologize if this question is not written up to standards, I am rather new to this site.
I have been an avid fan of chucklefish's acclaimed sandbox title, Starbound, for a number of years now and one question has always stuck in my mind. Is it plausible for the Avian species to exist? The Avians are described as humanoid with strong features from earth's avian species. They are portrayed as possessing beaks upon their faces, with their bodies covered in a thick layer of fur/feathers. Secondly, they appear to possess near-human sizes and builds, with no apparent wings but instead hand-like graspers with talons upon the fingers and feet.
Is it indeed possible for a bird-like species to evolve on another planet, forsaking wings for arms and appear generally more 'human' under evolutionary pressures?
For further context on the species, the official wiki has a good amount on further info on them: https://starbounder.org/Avian
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I apologize if this question is not written up to standards, I am rather new to this site.
I have been an avid fan of chucklefish's acclaimed sandbox title, Starbound, for a number of years now and one question has always stuck in my mind. Is it plausible for the Avian species to exist? The Avians are described as humanoid with strong features from earth's avian species. They are portrayed as possessing beaks upon their faces, with their bodies covered in a thick layer of fur/feathers. Secondly, they appear to possess near-human sizes and builds, with no apparent wings but instead hand-like graspers with talons upon the fingers and feet.
Is it indeed possible for a bird-like species to evolve on another planet, forsaking wings for arms and appear generally more 'human' under evolutionary pressures?
For further context on the species, the official wiki has a good amount on further info on them: https://starbounder.org/Avian
science-based reality-check evolution avian
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What is it in the drawing that makes the character "avian"? It looks to me more like the descendant of a very early coelurosaur. Note that in the ancestry of birds, the hands became rigid and unsuitable for manipulating tools long before the advent of flight. The joints of the legs are wrong; in birds, the femur (hip bone) is fixed rigidly to the body wall, and the "knees" bend forwards. Ah, and the eyes are all wrong for a bird; birds have rigid bony sclerotic rings around their eyes.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
@AlexP -- I suspect it's the big chicken talons and the eagle beak that makes her look avian!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
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– elemtilas
1 hour ago
@elemtilas: The talons could be crocodilian; and lots of animals have beaks, for example, tortoises -- birds don't have a monopoly.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
In the game, the species is heavily described with connotations of birds. starbounder.org/Avian
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
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I apologize if this question is not written up to standards, I am rather new to this site.
I have been an avid fan of chucklefish's acclaimed sandbox title, Starbound, for a number of years now and one question has always stuck in my mind. Is it plausible for the Avian species to exist? The Avians are described as humanoid with strong features from earth's avian species. They are portrayed as possessing beaks upon their faces, with their bodies covered in a thick layer of fur/feathers. Secondly, they appear to possess near-human sizes and builds, with no apparent wings but instead hand-like graspers with talons upon the fingers and feet.
Is it indeed possible for a bird-like species to evolve on another planet, forsaking wings for arms and appear generally more 'human' under evolutionary pressures?
For further context on the species, the official wiki has a good amount on further info on them: https://starbounder.org/Avian
science-based reality-check evolution avian
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I apologize if this question is not written up to standards, I am rather new to this site.
I have been an avid fan of chucklefish's acclaimed sandbox title, Starbound, for a number of years now and one question has always stuck in my mind. Is it plausible for the Avian species to exist? The Avians are described as humanoid with strong features from earth's avian species. They are portrayed as possessing beaks upon their faces, with their bodies covered in a thick layer of fur/feathers. Secondly, they appear to possess near-human sizes and builds, with no apparent wings but instead hand-like graspers with talons upon the fingers and feet.
Is it indeed possible for a bird-like species to evolve on another planet, forsaking wings for arms and appear generally more 'human' under evolutionary pressures?
For further context on the species, the official wiki has a good amount on further info on them: https://starbounder.org/Avian
science-based reality-check evolution avian
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What is it in the drawing that makes the character "avian"? It looks to me more like the descendant of a very early coelurosaur. Note that in the ancestry of birds, the hands became rigid and unsuitable for manipulating tools long before the advent of flight. The joints of the legs are wrong; in birds, the femur (hip bone) is fixed rigidly to the body wall, and the "knees" bend forwards. Ah, and the eyes are all wrong for a bird; birds have rigid bony sclerotic rings around their eyes.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
@AlexP -- I suspect it's the big chicken talons and the eagle beak that makes her look avian!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
Hi TurnWall! If you haven't already, please take a moment to check out the help center and tour to see what Worldbuilding SE is all about, how to write good queries and responses and what's frowned upon.
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
@elemtilas: The talons could be crocodilian; and lots of animals have beaks, for example, tortoises -- birds don't have a monopoly.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
In the game, the species is heavily described with connotations of birds. starbounder.org/Avian
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
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What is it in the drawing that makes the character "avian"? It looks to me more like the descendant of a very early coelurosaur. Note that in the ancestry of birds, the hands became rigid and unsuitable for manipulating tools long before the advent of flight. The joints of the legs are wrong; in birds, the femur (hip bone) is fixed rigidly to the body wall, and the "knees" bend forwards. Ah, and the eyes are all wrong for a bird; birds have rigid bony sclerotic rings around their eyes.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
@AlexP -- I suspect it's the big chicken talons and the eagle beak that makes her look avian!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
Hi TurnWall! If you haven't already, please take a moment to check out the help center and tour to see what Worldbuilding SE is all about, how to write good queries and responses and what's frowned upon.
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
@elemtilas: The talons could be crocodilian; and lots of animals have beaks, for example, tortoises -- birds don't have a monopoly.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
In the game, the species is heavily described with connotations of birds. starbounder.org/Avian
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
What is it in the drawing that makes the character "avian"? It looks to me more like the descendant of a very early coelurosaur. Note that in the ancestry of birds, the hands became rigid and unsuitable for manipulating tools long before the advent of flight. The joints of the legs are wrong; in birds, the femur (hip bone) is fixed rigidly to the body wall, and the "knees" bend forwards. Ah, and the eyes are all wrong for a bird; birds have rigid bony sclerotic rings around their eyes.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
What is it in the drawing that makes the character "avian"? It looks to me more like the descendant of a very early coelurosaur. Note that in the ancestry of birds, the hands became rigid and unsuitable for manipulating tools long before the advent of flight. The joints of the legs are wrong; in birds, the femur (hip bone) is fixed rigidly to the body wall, and the "knees" bend forwards. Ah, and the eyes are all wrong for a bird; birds have rigid bony sclerotic rings around their eyes.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
@AlexP -- I suspect it's the big chicken talons and the eagle beak that makes her look avian!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
@AlexP -- I suspect it's the big chicken talons and the eagle beak that makes her look avian!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
Hi TurnWall! If you haven't already, please take a moment to check out the help center and tour to see what Worldbuilding SE is all about, how to write good queries and responses and what's frowned upon.
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
Hi TurnWall! If you haven't already, please take a moment to check out the help center and tour to see what Worldbuilding SE is all about, how to write good queries and responses and what's frowned upon.
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
@elemtilas: The talons could be crocodilian; and lots of animals have beaks, for example, tortoises -- birds don't have a monopoly.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
@elemtilas: The talons could be crocodilian; and lots of animals have beaks, for example, tortoises -- birds don't have a monopoly.
– AlexP
1 hour ago
In the game, the species is heavily described with connotations of birds. starbounder.org/Avian
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
In the game, the species is heavily described with connotations of birds. starbounder.org/Avian
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
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Short Answer:
YES
I don't know anything about Starbound, but I do know geopoetry! And I know there are people somewhat like this in my own world, so the obvious answer is yes, avian sophonts are entirely plausible in secondary / fictional / sci-fi / fantasy worlds.
Long Answer:
PROBABLY NOT
In the primary world --- EARTH --- such a person almost certainly could not exist any time up to the present. Evolution of dinosaurs (as AlexP says, coelurosaurs, whence birds) didn't go this way.
We can speculate as to the future evolution of dinosaurs, and posit that perhaps in a few tens of millions of years, domestic chickens could evolve new characteristics (height and humanoid proportions) and reevolve useful hands and keep their feathers into the bargain.
Plausible? Not really. Possible? Sure --- we only have to wait two crore years to find out!
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
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Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
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Yes... and no. I have a world-building project including avian/paravian-maniraptorial species and an alien species with avian-generally archosaurian qualities.
To start when it comes to "humanoid" you can definitely have a large bipedal species with a spine angled more perpendicularly like a bittern or penguin. As our friend before has stated archosaurian hands aren't very mobile for manipulation purposes. only really good for climbing, flight, swimming(in some species) and running. That being said the abilities your looking for may be difficult at best- unless your species is a tangent from early on in the archosaurian tree far before the limbs of the saurian became rigid.
Birds and saurischians have vastly different skeletons and muscular proportions to humans. Meaning you will have to manipulate the proportions and make sense of what bones do what and try to make them fit your means. A "humanoid" bird is gonna have a barrel-like chest and a cinched waste compared to a human. the legs will also be very long(especially the shin).
if your looking for human-like facial features id definitely look at how owl, parrots and some galliformes are built and toggle as desired because these animals have heads we are pretty familiar with and may be able to relate to. Of course increase cranium size to reflect intelligence as in primates.
this will give u a brush up on saurian history-https://drive.google.com/open?id=14S60kFAsnMJ4S_WPmBa_EqwZsS8L7jBx&authuser=0
as far as "one a different planet" I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't be plausible for me to assume that an animal so close to earth's could evolve millions of light years away unless someone had a hand in it such as genetically savvy alien species who learned how to craft life themselves. You could also do an alt earth project where some extinctions never took place or some did or some other enviernmental factors contributed to a giant manually inclined parrot or other avian species took over a hominid-like niche. if that's the path you choose it could be very interesting.
Id be happy to discuss this further with you if your serious about this- Id type more but I have an art deadline to meet soon.
I think "dinosauroids" is a good starting point for you to look into. this is a long held hypothesis about humanoid or hominid-like saurischians evolving
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Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
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33 mins ago
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Short Answer:
YES
I don't know anything about Starbound, but I do know geopoetry! And I know there are people somewhat like this in my own world, so the obvious answer is yes, avian sophonts are entirely plausible in secondary / fictional / sci-fi / fantasy worlds.
Long Answer:
PROBABLY NOT
In the primary world --- EARTH --- such a person almost certainly could not exist any time up to the present. Evolution of dinosaurs (as AlexP says, coelurosaurs, whence birds) didn't go this way.
We can speculate as to the future evolution of dinosaurs, and posit that perhaps in a few tens of millions of years, domestic chickens could evolve new characteristics (height and humanoid proportions) and reevolve useful hands and keep their feathers into the bargain.
Plausible? Not really. Possible? Sure --- we only have to wait two crore years to find out!
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
add a comment |
Short Answer:
YES
I don't know anything about Starbound, but I do know geopoetry! And I know there are people somewhat like this in my own world, so the obvious answer is yes, avian sophonts are entirely plausible in secondary / fictional / sci-fi / fantasy worlds.
Long Answer:
PROBABLY NOT
In the primary world --- EARTH --- such a person almost certainly could not exist any time up to the present. Evolution of dinosaurs (as AlexP says, coelurosaurs, whence birds) didn't go this way.
We can speculate as to the future evolution of dinosaurs, and posit that perhaps in a few tens of millions of years, domestic chickens could evolve new characteristics (height and humanoid proportions) and reevolve useful hands and keep their feathers into the bargain.
Plausible? Not really. Possible? Sure --- we only have to wait two crore years to find out!
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
add a comment |
Short Answer:
YES
I don't know anything about Starbound, but I do know geopoetry! And I know there are people somewhat like this in my own world, so the obvious answer is yes, avian sophonts are entirely plausible in secondary / fictional / sci-fi / fantasy worlds.
Long Answer:
PROBABLY NOT
In the primary world --- EARTH --- such a person almost certainly could not exist any time up to the present. Evolution of dinosaurs (as AlexP says, coelurosaurs, whence birds) didn't go this way.
We can speculate as to the future evolution of dinosaurs, and posit that perhaps in a few tens of millions of years, domestic chickens could evolve new characteristics (height and humanoid proportions) and reevolve useful hands and keep their feathers into the bargain.
Plausible? Not really. Possible? Sure --- we only have to wait two crore years to find out!
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
Short Answer:
YES
I don't know anything about Starbound, but I do know geopoetry! And I know there are people somewhat like this in my own world, so the obvious answer is yes, avian sophonts are entirely plausible in secondary / fictional / sci-fi / fantasy worlds.
Long Answer:
PROBABLY NOT
In the primary world --- EARTH --- such a person almost certainly could not exist any time up to the present. Evolution of dinosaurs (as AlexP says, coelurosaurs, whence birds) didn't go this way.
We can speculate as to the future evolution of dinosaurs, and posit that perhaps in a few tens of millions of years, domestic chickens could evolve new characteristics (height and humanoid proportions) and reevolve useful hands and keep their feathers into the bargain.
Plausible? Not really. Possible? Sure --- we only have to wait two crore years to find out!
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
answered 1 hour ago
elemtilas
11.5k22655
11.5k22655
Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
add a comment |
Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Perhaps, if evolution followed this path on their homeworld, with enough time, would the proper humanoid portrayal be able to exist? Or something close to it?
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
Absolutely! As I said: entirely plausible for a subcreated world. Could they exist in every subcreated world? NO: they could not exist in Middle Earth, because that's Earth mythologised. Could they exist in a specific secondary world? Of course! If you want them in your world, then they exist in your world. That's how fantasy and sci-fi work. You make the world --- you make the rules!
– elemtilas
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
That's a good point, with some of these races I really become interested in how they may or may not be able to come about. Thank you for the clarification :)
– TurnWall
1 hour ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
Sure. That's kind of what diachronic geopoesy is all about: figuring out how different races of people (or species of creature) come about through the long ages of a world's evolutionary (or other) history.
– elemtilas
45 mins ago
add a comment |
Yes... and no. I have a world-building project including avian/paravian-maniraptorial species and an alien species with avian-generally archosaurian qualities.
To start when it comes to "humanoid" you can definitely have a large bipedal species with a spine angled more perpendicularly like a bittern or penguin. As our friend before has stated archosaurian hands aren't very mobile for manipulation purposes. only really good for climbing, flight, swimming(in some species) and running. That being said the abilities your looking for may be difficult at best- unless your species is a tangent from early on in the archosaurian tree far before the limbs of the saurian became rigid.
Birds and saurischians have vastly different skeletons and muscular proportions to humans. Meaning you will have to manipulate the proportions and make sense of what bones do what and try to make them fit your means. A "humanoid" bird is gonna have a barrel-like chest and a cinched waste compared to a human. the legs will also be very long(especially the shin).
if your looking for human-like facial features id definitely look at how owl, parrots and some galliformes are built and toggle as desired because these animals have heads we are pretty familiar with and may be able to relate to. Of course increase cranium size to reflect intelligence as in primates.
this will give u a brush up on saurian history-https://drive.google.com/open?id=14S60kFAsnMJ4S_WPmBa_EqwZsS8L7jBx&authuser=0
as far as "one a different planet" I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't be plausible for me to assume that an animal so close to earth's could evolve millions of light years away unless someone had a hand in it such as genetically savvy alien species who learned how to craft life themselves. You could also do an alt earth project where some extinctions never took place or some did or some other enviernmental factors contributed to a giant manually inclined parrot or other avian species took over a hominid-like niche. if that's the path you choose it could be very interesting.
Id be happy to discuss this further with you if your serious about this- Id type more but I have an art deadline to meet soon.
I think "dinosauroids" is a good starting point for you to look into. this is a long held hypothesis about humanoid or hominid-like saurischians evolving
answered 47 mins ago
Moabird
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Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
– TurnWall
33 mins ago
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Yes... and no. I have a world-building project including avian/paravian-maniraptorial species and an alien species with avian-generally archosaurian qualities.
To start when it comes to "humanoid" you can definitely have a large bipedal species with a spine angled more perpendicularly like a bittern or penguin. As our friend before has stated archosaurian hands aren't very mobile for manipulation purposes. only really good for climbing, flight, swimming(in some species) and running. That being said the abilities your looking for may be difficult at best- unless your species is a tangent from early on in the archosaurian tree far before the limbs of the saurian became rigid.
Birds and saurischians have vastly different skeletons and muscular proportions to humans. Meaning you will have to manipulate the proportions and make sense of what bones do what and try to make them fit your means. A "humanoid" bird is gonna have a barrel-like chest and a cinched waste compared to a human. the legs will also be very long(especially the shin).
if your looking for human-like facial features id definitely look at how owl, parrots and some galliformes are built and toggle as desired because these animals have heads we are pretty familiar with and may be able to relate to. Of course increase cranium size to reflect intelligence as in primates.
this will give u a brush up on saurian history-https://drive.google.com/open?id=14S60kFAsnMJ4S_WPmBa_EqwZsS8L7jBx&authuser=0
as far as "one a different planet" I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't be plausible for me to assume that an animal so close to earth's could evolve millions of light years away unless someone had a hand in it such as genetically savvy alien species who learned how to craft life themselves. You could also do an alt earth project where some extinctions never took place or some did or some other enviernmental factors contributed to a giant manually inclined parrot or other avian species took over a hominid-like niche. if that's the path you choose it could be very interesting.
Id be happy to discuss this further with you if your serious about this- Id type more but I have an art deadline to meet soon.
I think "dinosauroids" is a good starting point for you to look into. this is a long held hypothesis about humanoid or hominid-like saurischians evolving
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Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
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Yes... and no. I have a world-building project including avian/paravian-maniraptorial species and an alien species with avian-generally archosaurian qualities.
To start when it comes to "humanoid" you can definitely have a large bipedal species with a spine angled more perpendicularly like a bittern or penguin. As our friend before has stated archosaurian hands aren't very mobile for manipulation purposes. only really good for climbing, flight, swimming(in some species) and running. That being said the abilities your looking for may be difficult at best- unless your species is a tangent from early on in the archosaurian tree far before the limbs of the saurian became rigid.
Birds and saurischians have vastly different skeletons and muscular proportions to humans. Meaning you will have to manipulate the proportions and make sense of what bones do what and try to make them fit your means. A "humanoid" bird is gonna have a barrel-like chest and a cinched waste compared to a human. the legs will also be very long(especially the shin).
if your looking for human-like facial features id definitely look at how owl, parrots and some galliformes are built and toggle as desired because these animals have heads we are pretty familiar with and may be able to relate to. Of course increase cranium size to reflect intelligence as in primates.
this will give u a brush up on saurian history-https://drive.google.com/open?id=14S60kFAsnMJ4S_WPmBa_EqwZsS8L7jBx&authuser=0
as far as "one a different planet" I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't be plausible for me to assume that an animal so close to earth's could evolve millions of light years away unless someone had a hand in it such as genetically savvy alien species who learned how to craft life themselves. You could also do an alt earth project where some extinctions never took place or some did or some other enviernmental factors contributed to a giant manually inclined parrot or other avian species took over a hominid-like niche. if that's the path you choose it could be very interesting.
Id be happy to discuss this further with you if your serious about this- Id type more but I have an art deadline to meet soon.
I think "dinosauroids" is a good starting point for you to look into. this is a long held hypothesis about humanoid or hominid-like saurischians evolving
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Yes... and no. I have a world-building project including avian/paravian-maniraptorial species and an alien species with avian-generally archosaurian qualities.
To start when it comes to "humanoid" you can definitely have a large bipedal species with a spine angled more perpendicularly like a bittern or penguin. As our friend before has stated archosaurian hands aren't very mobile for manipulation purposes. only really good for climbing, flight, swimming(in some species) and running. That being said the abilities your looking for may be difficult at best- unless your species is a tangent from early on in the archosaurian tree far before the limbs of the saurian became rigid.
Birds and saurischians have vastly different skeletons and muscular proportions to humans. Meaning you will have to manipulate the proportions and make sense of what bones do what and try to make them fit your means. A "humanoid" bird is gonna have a barrel-like chest and a cinched waste compared to a human. the legs will also be very long(especially the shin).
if your looking for human-like facial features id definitely look at how owl, parrots and some galliformes are built and toggle as desired because these animals have heads we are pretty familiar with and may be able to relate to. Of course increase cranium size to reflect intelligence as in primates.
this will give u a brush up on saurian history-https://drive.google.com/open?id=14S60kFAsnMJ4S_WPmBa_EqwZsS8L7jBx&authuser=0
as far as "one a different planet" I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't be plausible for me to assume that an animal so close to earth's could evolve millions of light years away unless someone had a hand in it such as genetically savvy alien species who learned how to craft life themselves. You could also do an alt earth project where some extinctions never took place or some did or some other enviernmental factors contributed to a giant manually inclined parrot or other avian species took over a hominid-like niche. if that's the path you choose it could be very interesting.
Id be happy to discuss this further with you if your serious about this- Id type more but I have an art deadline to meet soon.
I think "dinosauroids" is a good starting point for you to look into. this is a long held hypothesis about humanoid or hominid-like saurischians evolving
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Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
– TurnWall
33 mins ago
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Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
– TurnWall
33 mins ago
Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
– TurnWall
33 mins ago
Thanks! This answer really brings a lot to mine, do know Starbound and its avian species are not my creation, was only asking if there's a slim chance they could potentially exist, as I am in a roleplaying community for a game. I've always imagined them to be a hodgepodge of the answers provided, with good old convergent humanoid evolution sprinkled in.
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What is it in the drawing that makes the character "avian"? It looks to me more like the descendant of a very early coelurosaur. Note that in the ancestry of birds, the hands became rigid and unsuitable for manipulating tools long before the advent of flight. The joints of the legs are wrong; in birds, the femur (hip bone) is fixed rigidly to the body wall, and the "knees" bend forwards. Ah, and the eyes are all wrong for a bird; birds have rigid bony sclerotic rings around their eyes.
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@AlexP -- I suspect it's the big chicken talons and the eagle beak that makes her look avian!
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@elemtilas: The talons could be crocodilian; and lots of animals have beaks, for example, tortoises -- birds don't have a monopoly.
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In the game, the species is heavily described with connotations of birds. starbounder.org/Avian
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