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Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:




  • The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions


  • The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness



The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims




This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.




but there isn't any citation or explanation why.



Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.



Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?






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    As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
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Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:




  • The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions


  • The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness



The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims




This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.




but there isn't any citation or explanation why.



Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.



Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?






ursula-k-le-guin hainish-cycle







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    As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
    – Harry Johnston
    57 mins ago














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Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:




  • The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions


  • The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness



The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims




This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.




but there isn't any citation or explanation why.



Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.



Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?






ursula-k-le-guin hainish-cycle







share|improve this question















Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:




  • The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions


  • The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness



The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims




This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.




but there isn't any citation or explanation why.



Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.



Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?






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    As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
    – Harry Johnston
    57 mins ago














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    As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
    – Harry Johnston
    57 mins ago








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As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
57 mins ago




As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
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If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:



enter image description here



The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.






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  • I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
    – Spencer
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    The open letter is recorded here
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  • Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
    – Spencer
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    @Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
    – Eike Pierstorff
    1 hour ago






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    @Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
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If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:



enter image description here



The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.






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  • I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






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    The open letter is recorded here
    – Valorum
    1 hour ago










  • Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
    – Eike Pierstorff
    1 hour ago






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    @Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago
















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If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:



enter image description here



The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.






share|improve this answer























  • I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    The open letter is recorded here
    – Valorum
    1 hour ago










  • Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
    – Eike Pierstorff
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago














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If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:



enter image description here



The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.






share|improve this answer














If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:



enter image description here



The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.







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  • I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    The open letter is recorded here
    – Valorum
    1 hour ago










  • Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
    – Eike Pierstorff
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago


















  • I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    The open letter is recorded here
    – Valorum
    1 hour ago










  • Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
    – Eike Pierstorff
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    @Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
    – Spencer
    1 hour ago
















I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
1 hour ago




I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
1 hour ago




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The open letter is recorded here
– Valorum
1 hour ago




The open letter is recorded here
– Valorum
1 hour ago












Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
– Spencer
1 hour ago




Hooray for @Valorum's magical search powers!
– Spencer
1 hour ago




2




2




@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
1 hour ago




@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
1 hour ago




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2




@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
1 hour ago




@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
1 hour ago


















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