Under what logic is the current American government shutdown “the Democrat’s fault”?
The President and other Republicans have been casting blame on the Democrats for being responsible for the current government shutdown.
If Republicans have a majority in the House and the Senate, and also have control over the executive branch, how could it be possible that the Democrats are responsible for the shutdown?
I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
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The President and other Republicans have been casting blame on the Democrats for being responsible for the current government shutdown.
If Republicans have a majority in the House and the Senate, and also have control over the executive branch, how could it be possible that the Democrats are responsible for the shutdown?
I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
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The President and other Republicans have been casting blame on the Democrats for being responsible for the current government shutdown.
If Republicans have a majority in the House and the Senate, and also have control over the executive branch, how could it be possible that the Democrats are responsible for the shutdown?
I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
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The President and other Republicans have been casting blame on the Democrats for being responsible for the current government shutdown.
If Republicans have a majority in the House and the Senate, and also have control over the executive branch, how could it be possible that the Democrats are responsible for the shutdown?
I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
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Rather than trying to address the claim of who is to blame, I will give you timeline of events and let you decide for yourself who deserves how much of the blame.
12/19/2018:
Senate passes with a vote of 100-0 a bi-partisan short-term spending bill without funding for Trump's wall. Bill is expected to pass the House and be signed by the President. [1]
Fox and Friends, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter criticize Trump for "folding" on the wall. [2]
12/20/2018:
The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security.
-- Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R)
Instead of voting on the bill the Senate passed, the House with Paul Ryan (R) as Speaker passes a spending bill with $5 billion in border wall funding. Bill is not expected to pass the Senate, and ultimately does fail in the Senate, where 60 votes is needed and Republicans only had 51 seats. [3] [4]
1/3/2018:
The new House of Representatives with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker (Democrat) passes a bill mirroring the one that passed the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (R) blocks the bill in the Senate, saying he will not bring a bill to vote without the president's approval. [5]
Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
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I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
I think there are a couple things: first, the new Democratic majority; and second, the filibuster/cloture process in the Senate.
Yesterday (3 Jan.) was the first day of the 116th Congress. As of yesterday, the Democrats have a majority in the House (235 to 199, one disputed seat) and the Republicans have a majority in the Senate (53 to 47). At this point and going forward, both parties bear responsibility for passing or failing to pass spending bills.
However, before yesterday, the Republicans had a 236 to 196 majority in the House (three vacant seats) and a 51 to 49 majority in the Senate. In December, the (Republican) House passed a spending bill with funding for the president's proposed border wall. The Senate unanimously passed an alternative short-term spending measure without border wall funding, which the president then threatened to veto. Following that, the Senate Majority Leader stated that he would not support (or presumably schedule a vote for) any bill that the president threatened to veto.
Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered," and given that Senate Republicans had an extremely slim majority in the last Congress, invoking cloture against a united Democratic conference was quite tough. Even in the new Congress, invoking cloture will be tricky for polarizing legislation (e.g. anything dealing with "the wall"), albeit marginally easier for the Republicans than in the last Congress.
In my opinion, anyone who assigns blame or responsibility for the shutdown to one party exclusively is trying to spin the facts to fit a partisan or ideological narrative. How you assign blame depends on your personal beliefs, what you think about the majorities in Congress and what you think about the filibuster.
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Rather than trying to address the claim of who is to blame, I will give you timeline of events and let you decide for yourself who deserves how much of the blame.
12/19/2018:
Senate passes with a vote of 100-0 a bi-partisan short-term spending bill without funding for Trump's wall. Bill is expected to pass the House and be signed by the President. [1]
Fox and Friends, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter criticize Trump for "folding" on the wall. [2]
12/20/2018:
The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security.
-- Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R)
Instead of voting on the bill the Senate passed, the House with Paul Ryan (R) as Speaker passes a spending bill with $5 billion in border wall funding. Bill is not expected to pass the Senate, and ultimately does fail in the Senate, where 60 votes is needed and Republicans only had 51 seats. [3] [4]
1/3/2018:
The new House of Representatives with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker (Democrat) passes a bill mirroring the one that passed the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (R) blocks the bill in the Senate, saying he will not bring a bill to vote without the president's approval. [5]
Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
add a comment |
Rather than trying to address the claim of who is to blame, I will give you timeline of events and let you decide for yourself who deserves how much of the blame.
12/19/2018:
Senate passes with a vote of 100-0 a bi-partisan short-term spending bill without funding for Trump's wall. Bill is expected to pass the House and be signed by the President. [1]
Fox and Friends, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter criticize Trump for "folding" on the wall. [2]
12/20/2018:
The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security.
-- Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R)
Instead of voting on the bill the Senate passed, the House with Paul Ryan (R) as Speaker passes a spending bill with $5 billion in border wall funding. Bill is not expected to pass the Senate, and ultimately does fail in the Senate, where 60 votes is needed and Republicans only had 51 seats. [3] [4]
1/3/2018:
The new House of Representatives with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker (Democrat) passes a bill mirroring the one that passed the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (R) blocks the bill in the Senate, saying he will not bring a bill to vote without the president's approval. [5]
Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
add a comment |
Rather than trying to address the claim of who is to blame, I will give you timeline of events and let you decide for yourself who deserves how much of the blame.
12/19/2018:
Senate passes with a vote of 100-0 a bi-partisan short-term spending bill without funding for Trump's wall. Bill is expected to pass the House and be signed by the President. [1]
Fox and Friends, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter criticize Trump for "folding" on the wall. [2]
12/20/2018:
The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security.
-- Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R)
Instead of voting on the bill the Senate passed, the House with Paul Ryan (R) as Speaker passes a spending bill with $5 billion in border wall funding. Bill is not expected to pass the Senate, and ultimately does fail in the Senate, where 60 votes is needed and Republicans only had 51 seats. [3] [4]
1/3/2018:
The new House of Representatives with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker (Democrat) passes a bill mirroring the one that passed the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (R) blocks the bill in the Senate, saying he will not bring a bill to vote without the president's approval. [5]
Rather than trying to address the claim of who is to blame, I will give you timeline of events and let you decide for yourself who deserves how much of the blame.
12/19/2018:
Senate passes with a vote of 100-0 a bi-partisan short-term spending bill without funding for Trump's wall. Bill is expected to pass the House and be signed by the President. [1]
Fox and Friends, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter criticize Trump for "folding" on the wall. [2]
12/20/2018:
The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security.
-- Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R)
Instead of voting on the bill the Senate passed, the House with Paul Ryan (R) as Speaker passes a spending bill with $5 billion in border wall funding. Bill is not expected to pass the Senate, and ultimately does fail in the Senate, where 60 votes is needed and Republicans only had 51 seats. [3] [4]
1/3/2018:
The new House of Representatives with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker (Democrat) passes a bill mirroring the one that passed the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (R) blocks the bill in the Senate, saying he will not bring a bill to vote without the president's approval. [5]
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Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
add a comment |
Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
Thanks, this is the type of answer is was hoping for. The 60% vote is specific to funding votes?
– T Bone
24 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
@TBone see my answer below. "Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered[.]""
– Andrew
22 mins ago
add a comment |
I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
I think there are a couple things: first, the new Democratic majority; and second, the filibuster/cloture process in the Senate.
Yesterday (3 Jan.) was the first day of the 116th Congress. As of yesterday, the Democrats have a majority in the House (235 to 199, one disputed seat) and the Republicans have a majority in the Senate (53 to 47). At this point and going forward, both parties bear responsibility for passing or failing to pass spending bills.
However, before yesterday, the Republicans had a 236 to 196 majority in the House (three vacant seats) and a 51 to 49 majority in the Senate. In December, the (Republican) House passed a spending bill with funding for the president's proposed border wall. The Senate unanimously passed an alternative short-term spending measure without border wall funding, which the president then threatened to veto. Following that, the Senate Majority Leader stated that he would not support (or presumably schedule a vote for) any bill that the president threatened to veto.
Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered," and given that Senate Republicans had an extremely slim majority in the last Congress, invoking cloture against a united Democratic conference was quite tough. Even in the new Congress, invoking cloture will be tricky for polarizing legislation (e.g. anything dealing with "the wall"), albeit marginally easier for the Republicans than in the last Congress.
In my opinion, anyone who assigns blame or responsibility for the shutdown to one party exclusively is trying to spin the facts to fit a partisan or ideological narrative. How you assign blame depends on your personal beliefs, what you think about the majorities in Congress and what you think about the filibuster.
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I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
I think there are a couple things: first, the new Democratic majority; and second, the filibuster/cloture process in the Senate.
Yesterday (3 Jan.) was the first day of the 116th Congress. As of yesterday, the Democrats have a majority in the House (235 to 199, one disputed seat) and the Republicans have a majority in the Senate (53 to 47). At this point and going forward, both parties bear responsibility for passing or failing to pass spending bills.
However, before yesterday, the Republicans had a 236 to 196 majority in the House (three vacant seats) and a 51 to 49 majority in the Senate. In December, the (Republican) House passed a spending bill with funding for the president's proposed border wall. The Senate unanimously passed an alternative short-term spending measure without border wall funding, which the president then threatened to veto. Following that, the Senate Majority Leader stated that he would not support (or presumably schedule a vote for) any bill that the president threatened to veto.
Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered," and given that Senate Republicans had an extremely slim majority in the last Congress, invoking cloture against a united Democratic conference was quite tough. Even in the new Congress, invoking cloture will be tricky for polarizing legislation (e.g. anything dealing with "the wall"), albeit marginally easier for the Republicans than in the last Congress.
In my opinion, anyone who assigns blame or responsibility for the shutdown to one party exclusively is trying to spin the facts to fit a partisan or ideological narrative. How you assign blame depends on your personal beliefs, what you think about the majorities in Congress and what you think about the filibuster.
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I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
I think there are a couple things: first, the new Democratic majority; and second, the filibuster/cloture process in the Senate.
Yesterday (3 Jan.) was the first day of the 116th Congress. As of yesterday, the Democrats have a majority in the House (235 to 199, one disputed seat) and the Republicans have a majority in the Senate (53 to 47). At this point and going forward, both parties bear responsibility for passing or failing to pass spending bills.
However, before yesterday, the Republicans had a 236 to 196 majority in the House (three vacant seats) and a 51 to 49 majority in the Senate. In December, the (Republican) House passed a spending bill with funding for the president's proposed border wall. The Senate unanimously passed an alternative short-term spending measure without border wall funding, which the president then threatened to veto. Following that, the Senate Majority Leader stated that he would not support (or presumably schedule a vote for) any bill that the president threatened to veto.
Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered," and given that Senate Republicans had an extremely slim majority in the last Congress, invoking cloture against a united Democratic conference was quite tough. Even in the new Congress, invoking cloture will be tricky for polarizing legislation (e.g. anything dealing with "the wall"), albeit marginally easier for the Republicans than in the last Congress.
In my opinion, anyone who assigns blame or responsibility for the shutdown to one party exclusively is trying to spin the facts to fit a partisan or ideological narrative. How you assign blame depends on your personal beliefs, what you think about the majorities in Congress and what you think about the filibuster.
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I’m sure there is something that I am missing (certain vote percentages, loopholes, who knows), but to me the logic seems that if Republicans had the ability to pass the funding measure and then didn’t, wouldn’t the shutdown be the Republicans fault?
I think there are a couple things: first, the new Democratic majority; and second, the filibuster/cloture process in the Senate.
Yesterday (3 Jan.) was the first day of the 116th Congress. As of yesterday, the Democrats have a majority in the House (235 to 199, one disputed seat) and the Republicans have a majority in the Senate (53 to 47). At this point and going forward, both parties bear responsibility for passing or failing to pass spending bills.
However, before yesterday, the Republicans had a 236 to 196 majority in the House (three vacant seats) and a 51 to 49 majority in the Senate. In December, the (Republican) House passed a spending bill with funding for the president's proposed border wall. The Senate unanimously passed an alternative short-term spending measure without border wall funding, which the president then threatened to veto. Following that, the Senate Majority Leader stated that he would not support (or presumably schedule a vote for) any bill that the president threatened to veto.
Also, almost all bills in the Senate require 60 senators to invoke "cloture" in order to end debate and vote. Bills that fail to receive cloture are "filibustered," and given that Senate Republicans had an extremely slim majority in the last Congress, invoking cloture against a united Democratic conference was quite tough. Even in the new Congress, invoking cloture will be tricky for polarizing legislation (e.g. anything dealing with "the wall"), albeit marginally easier for the Republicans than in the last Congress.
In my opinion, anyone who assigns blame or responsibility for the shutdown to one party exclusively is trying to spin the facts to fit a partisan or ideological narrative. How you assign blame depends on your personal beliefs, what you think about the majorities in Congress and what you think about the filibuster.
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