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Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan by entering a radiation chamber to re-align the dilithium crystals.








Doctor McCoy warned Spock not to enter the chamber. Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott warned him not to enter or he would die. Spock did it anyway.



Why did Scott not use the point-to-point abilities of the transporters to beam Spock directly from the radiation chamber to sickbay?



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  • Can we also include that even if Spock would have survived, we know for certain in many TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes that beaming through an intense radiation field is impossible because it disrupts targeting scanners from getting a positive lock and the ability for the transporters to dematerialize things safely? I know this doesnt pull from TOS era canon, but if that is a problem with more modern transporters, just imagine the problem that this causes with older transporter systems in the TOS era
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Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan by entering a radiation chamber to re-align the dilithium crystals.








Doctor McCoy warned Spock not to enter the chamber. Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott warned him not to enter or he would die. Spock did it anyway.



Why did Scott not use the point-to-point abilities of the transporters to beam Spock directly from the radiation chamber to sickbay?



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  • Can we also include that even if Spock would have survived, we know for certain in many TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes that beaming through an intense radiation field is impossible because it disrupts targeting scanners from getting a positive lock and the ability for the transporters to dematerialize things safely? I know this doesnt pull from TOS era canon, but if that is a problem with more modern transporters, just imagine the problem that this causes with older transporter systems in the TOS era
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Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan by entering a radiation chamber to re-align the dilithium crystals.








Doctor McCoy warned Spock not to enter the chamber. Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott warned him not to enter or he would die. Spock did it anyway.



Why did Scott not use the point-to-point abilities of the transporters to beam Spock directly from the radiation chamber to sickbay?



Please answer by providing quotes from canon sources.






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Spock sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan by entering a radiation chamber to re-align the dilithium crystals.








Doctor McCoy warned Spock not to enter the chamber. Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott warned him not to enter or he would die. Spock did it anyway.



Why did Scott not use the point-to-point abilities of the transporters to beam Spock directly from the radiation chamber to sickbay?



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  • Can we also include that even if Spock would have survived, we know for certain in many TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes that beaming through an intense radiation field is impossible because it disrupts targeting scanners from getting a positive lock and the ability for the transporters to dematerialize things safely? I know this doesnt pull from TOS era canon, but if that is a problem with more modern transporters, just imagine the problem that this causes with older transporter systems in the TOS era
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  • Can we also include that even if Spock would have survived, we know for certain in many TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes that beaming through an intense radiation field is impossible because it disrupts targeting scanners from getting a positive lock and the ability for the transporters to dematerialize things safely? I know this doesnt pull from TOS era canon, but if that is a problem with more modern transporters, just imagine the problem that this causes with older transporter systems in the TOS era
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Can we also include that even if Spock would have survived, we know for certain in many TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes that beaming through an intense radiation field is impossible because it disrupts targeting scanners from getting a positive lock and the ability for the transporters to dematerialize things safely? I know this doesnt pull from TOS era canon, but if that is a problem with more modern transporters, just imagine the problem that this causes with older transporter systems in the TOS era
– Thomas Ward
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Can we also include that even if Spock would have survived, we know for certain in many TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes that beaming through an intense radiation field is impossible because it disrupts targeting scanners from getting a positive lock and the ability for the transporters to dematerialize things safely? I know this doesnt pull from TOS era canon, but if that is a problem with more modern transporters, just imagine the problem that this causes with older transporter systems in the TOS era
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covers it. Once Captain Spock had finished with the repairs, nothing could be done to save him. Had Spock wanted to, he could have come back out of the chamber through the same swivelling radiation lock by which he entered. However, doing so would only endanger anyone who tried to come to Spock's aid, because by that time his body itself would be a dangerous source of radiation. Since he is assuredly going to die, the safest (most logical, as Spock would want it) thing to do was to leave him in the containment chamber until the crisis was over and his corpse could be removed safely.






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    Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
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  • @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
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  • Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
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  • @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
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Scott had already stated that anyone entering the chamber would be dead in under a minute.




"It isna possible, sir!" Mr. Scott cried. "The radiation level is far too high; i' ha' already burned out the electronics o' the repair robot, and if ye went in in a suit 'twould freeze for the same reason! A person unprotected wouldna last a minute!"



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Spock enters the chamber and Bones and Scotty both yell at him to come back out again but only for a few seconds (while it's still possible that he might make it out alive). After that they simply watch in "helpless horror" as he completes the modifications and fixes the engine.




HIS FACE: His face, using all the self discipline he is capable of to control the pain, continuing to work --



WITHOUT: Bones and Scotty react in helpless horror.



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Since Spock has already taken a lethal dose, beaming his body from the chamber would simply expose the sickbay personnel to radiation for no good purpose (since they can't possibly heal him) and there's a job that needs to be done. Once he's finished, It's clearly safer all round to just wait a few more minutes for the decontamination cycle to be completed and then drag Spock out in a lead-lined bodybag.






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    covers it. Once Captain Spock had finished with the repairs, nothing could be done to save him. Had Spock wanted to, he could have come back out of the chamber through the same swivelling radiation lock by which he entered. However, doing so would only endanger anyone who tried to come to Spock's aid, because by that time his body itself would be a dangerous source of radiation. Since he is assuredly going to die, the safest (most logical, as Spock would want it) thing to do was to leave him in the containment chamber until the crisis was over and his corpse could be removed safely.






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      Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
      – Jon Clements
      4 hours ago










    • @JonClements Do you have a source for saying transporters would not work in areas of high radiation?
      – RichS
      4 hours ago










    • @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
      – Jon Clements
      4 hours ago










    • Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
      – Sarriesfan
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    • @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
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    covers it. Once Captain Spock had finished with the repairs, nothing could be done to save him. Had Spock wanted to, he could have come back out of the chamber through the same swivelling radiation lock by which he entered. However, doing so would only endanger anyone who tried to come to Spock's aid, because by that time his body itself would be a dangerous source of radiation. Since he is assuredly going to die, the safest (most logical, as Spock would want it) thing to do was to leave him in the containment chamber until the crisis was over and his corpse could be removed safely.






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      Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
      – Jon Clements
      4 hours ago










    • @JonClements Do you have a source for saying transporters would not work in areas of high radiation?
      – RichS
      4 hours ago










    • @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
      – Jon Clements
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    • Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
      – Sarriesfan
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    • @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
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    covers it. Once Captain Spock had finished with the repairs, nothing could be done to save him. Had Spock wanted to, he could have come back out of the chamber through the same swivelling radiation lock by which he entered. However, doing so would only endanger anyone who tried to come to Spock's aid, because by that time his body itself would be a dangerous source of radiation. Since he is assuredly going to die, the safest (most logical, as Spock would want it) thing to do was to leave him in the containment chamber until the crisis was over and his corpse could be removed safely.






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    covers it. Once Captain Spock had finished with the repairs, nothing could be done to save him. Had Spock wanted to, he could have come back out of the chamber through the same swivelling radiation lock by which he entered. However, doing so would only endanger anyone who tried to come to Spock's aid, because by that time his body itself would be a dangerous source of radiation. Since he is assuredly going to die, the safest (most logical, as Spock would want it) thing to do was to leave him in the containment chamber until the crisis was over and his corpse could be removed safely.







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      Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
      – Jon Clements
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    • @JonClements Do you have a source for saying transporters would not work in areas of high radiation?
      – RichS
      4 hours ago










    • @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
      – Jon Clements
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    • Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
      – Sarriesfan
      4 hours ago










    • @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
      – Machavity
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    • 1




      Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
      – Jon Clements
      4 hours ago










    • @JonClements Do you have a source for saying transporters would not work in areas of high radiation?
      – RichS
      4 hours ago










    • @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
      – Jon Clements
      4 hours ago










    • Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
      – Sarriesfan
      4 hours ago










    • @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
      – Machavity
      1 hour ago








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    Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
    – Jon Clements
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    Also site to site transport didn't seem to really be a thing in the TOS era (and quite rare in TNG) and transporters are shown to not be usable around sources of radiation...
    – Jon Clements
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    @JonClements Do you have a source for saying transporters would not work in areas of high radiation?
    – RichS
    4 hours ago




    @JonClements Do you have a source for saying transporters would not work in areas of high radiation?
    – RichS
    4 hours ago












    @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
    – Jon Clements
    4 hours ago




    @RichS off the top of my head no... But fairly sure it's come up that people can't be beamed up because they can't get a lock or otherwise can't beam someone somewhere because they can't maintain the beam or it'd get deflected... I'll have a look tomorrow if I remember and no one else finds a quote...
    – Jon Clements
    4 hours ago












    Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
    – Sarriesfan
    4 hours ago




    Thorn Radiation on the Star Trek universe has effects on transporters.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Thoron_radiation There are other radiations that do as well, but I cannot remember which ones right now.
    – Sarriesfan
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    @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
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    @RichS The most notable "can't beam due to radiation" episode was the TNG episode The Quality of Life
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    Scott had already stated that anyone entering the chamber would be dead in under a minute.




    "It isna possible, sir!" Mr. Scott cried. "The radiation level is far too high; i' ha' already burned out the electronics o' the repair robot, and if ye went in in a suit 'twould freeze for the same reason! A person unprotected wouldna last a minute!"



    Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan - Official novelisation




    Spock enters the chamber and Bones and Scotty both yell at him to come back out again but only for a few seconds (while it's still possible that he might make it out alive). After that they simply watch in "helpless horror" as he completes the modifications and fixes the engine.




    HIS FACE: His face, using all the self discipline he is capable of to control the pain, continuing to work --



    WITHOUT: Bones and Scotty react in helpless horror.



    Wrath of Khan - Original Screenplay




    Since Spock has already taken a lethal dose, beaming his body from the chamber would simply expose the sickbay personnel to radiation for no good purpose (since they can't possibly heal him) and there's a job that needs to be done. Once he's finished, It's clearly safer all round to just wait a few more minutes for the decontamination cycle to be completed and then drag Spock out in a lead-lined bodybag.






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      "It isna possible, sir!" Mr. Scott cried. "The radiation level is far too high; i' ha' already burned out the electronics o' the repair robot, and if ye went in in a suit 'twould freeze for the same reason! A person unprotected wouldna last a minute!"



      Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan - Official novelisation




      Spock enters the chamber and Bones and Scotty both yell at him to come back out again but only for a few seconds (while it's still possible that he might make it out alive). After that they simply watch in "helpless horror" as he completes the modifications and fixes the engine.




      HIS FACE: His face, using all the self discipline he is capable of to control the pain, continuing to work --



      WITHOUT: Bones and Scotty react in helpless horror.



      Wrath of Khan - Original Screenplay




      Since Spock has already taken a lethal dose, beaming his body from the chamber would simply expose the sickbay personnel to radiation for no good purpose (since they can't possibly heal him) and there's a job that needs to be done. Once he's finished, It's clearly safer all round to just wait a few more minutes for the decontamination cycle to be completed and then drag Spock out in a lead-lined bodybag.






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        Scott had already stated that anyone entering the chamber would be dead in under a minute.




        "It isna possible, sir!" Mr. Scott cried. "The radiation level is far too high; i' ha' already burned out the electronics o' the repair robot, and if ye went in in a suit 'twould freeze for the same reason! A person unprotected wouldna last a minute!"



        Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan - Official novelisation




        Spock enters the chamber and Bones and Scotty both yell at him to come back out again but only for a few seconds (while it's still possible that he might make it out alive). After that they simply watch in "helpless horror" as he completes the modifications and fixes the engine.




        HIS FACE: His face, using all the self discipline he is capable of to control the pain, continuing to work --



        WITHOUT: Bones and Scotty react in helpless horror.



        Wrath of Khan - Original Screenplay




        Since Spock has already taken a lethal dose, beaming his body from the chamber would simply expose the sickbay personnel to radiation for no good purpose (since they can't possibly heal him) and there's a job that needs to be done. Once he's finished, It's clearly safer all round to just wait a few more minutes for the decontamination cycle to be completed and then drag Spock out in a lead-lined bodybag.






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        Scott had already stated that anyone entering the chamber would be dead in under a minute.




        "It isna possible, sir!" Mr. Scott cried. "The radiation level is far too high; i' ha' already burned out the electronics o' the repair robot, and if ye went in in a suit 'twould freeze for the same reason! A person unprotected wouldna last a minute!"



        Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan - Official novelisation




        Spock enters the chamber and Bones and Scotty both yell at him to come back out again but only for a few seconds (while it's still possible that he might make it out alive). After that they simply watch in "helpless horror" as he completes the modifications and fixes the engine.




        HIS FACE: His face, using all the self discipline he is capable of to control the pain, continuing to work --



        WITHOUT: Bones and Scotty react in helpless horror.



        Wrath of Khan - Original Screenplay




        Since Spock has already taken a lethal dose, beaming his body from the chamber would simply expose the sickbay personnel to radiation for no good purpose (since they can't possibly heal him) and there's a job that needs to be done. Once he's finished, It's clearly safer all round to just wait a few more minutes for the decontamination cycle to be completed and then drag Spock out in a lead-lined bodybag.







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