How do Brexiteers interpret Trump's insistence on a wall? [on hold]
If Trump were involved with Brexit, would he insist on a hard infrastructure (a wall perhaps) on the Irish border? One senses that in his way of thinking it would be the only way of keeping out illegal immigrants.
Paradoxically it is Trump's acolytes in the UK - the hard right populists and Brexiteers - who are moving heaven and earth trying to persuade the Government and the electorate that in the event of "no deal", no border of any kind would be required.
Presumably the Owen Patersons and Ian Duncan Smiths of this world think Trump is talking hot air, as regards the wall. Would they care to speak up and confirm this?
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If Trump were involved with Brexit, would he insist on a hard infrastructure (a wall perhaps) on the Irish border? One senses that in his way of thinking it would be the only way of keeping out illegal immigrants.
Paradoxically it is Trump's acolytes in the UK - the hard right populists and Brexiteers - who are moving heaven and earth trying to persuade the Government and the electorate that in the event of "no deal", no border of any kind would be required.
Presumably the Owen Patersons and Ian Duncan Smiths of this world think Trump is talking hot air, as regards the wall. Would they care to speak up and confirm this?
donald-trump brexit
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Are you aware of the Troubles and The Good Friday Agreement? There is a lot of history you seem to skip over. Ireland is considered part of the UK by some hardliners, keeping them out is the last thing you would want.
– Polygnome
3 hours ago
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@Polygnome I'm not aware of anyone prominent who believes that the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK.
– Paul Johnson
54 mins ago
@PaulJohnson none that believe that it is, but some that believe it should be
– Caleth
24 mins ago
If I understand the conflict, I think there's a bigger chance that Ireland would build a wall if they could since they are the one that want to be independant.
– the_lotus
5 mins ago
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If Trump were involved with Brexit, would he insist on a hard infrastructure (a wall perhaps) on the Irish border? One senses that in his way of thinking it would be the only way of keeping out illegal immigrants.
Paradoxically it is Trump's acolytes in the UK - the hard right populists and Brexiteers - who are moving heaven and earth trying to persuade the Government and the electorate that in the event of "no deal", no border of any kind would be required.
Presumably the Owen Patersons and Ian Duncan Smiths of this world think Trump is talking hot air, as regards the wall. Would they care to speak up and confirm this?
donald-trump brexit
asked 3 hours ago
WS2
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If Trump were involved with Brexit, would he insist on a hard infrastructure (a wall perhaps) on the Irish border? One senses that in his way of thinking it would be the only way of keeping out illegal immigrants.
Paradoxically it is Trump's acolytes in the UK - the hard right populists and Brexiteers - who are moving heaven and earth trying to persuade the Government and the electorate that in the event of "no deal", no border of any kind would be required.
Presumably the Owen Patersons and Ian Duncan Smiths of this world think Trump is talking hot air, as regards the wall. Would they care to speak up and confirm this?
donald-trump brexit
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Are you aware of the Troubles and The Good Friday Agreement? There is a lot of history you seem to skip over. Ireland is considered part of the UK by some hardliners, keeping them out is the last thing you would want.
– Polygnome
3 hours ago
1
@Polygnome I'm not aware of anyone prominent who believes that the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK.
– Paul Johnson
54 mins ago
@PaulJohnson none that believe that it is, but some that believe it should be
– Caleth
24 mins ago
If I understand the conflict, I think there's a bigger chance that Ireland would build a wall if they could since they are the one that want to be independant.
– the_lotus
5 mins ago
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2
Are you aware of the Troubles and The Good Friday Agreement? There is a lot of history you seem to skip over. Ireland is considered part of the UK by some hardliners, keeping them out is the last thing you would want.
– Polygnome
3 hours ago
1
@Polygnome I'm not aware of anyone prominent who believes that the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK.
– Paul Johnson
54 mins ago
@PaulJohnson none that believe that it is, but some that believe it should be
– Caleth
24 mins ago
If I understand the conflict, I think there's a bigger chance that Ireland would build a wall if they could since they are the one that want to be independant.
– the_lotus
5 mins ago
2
2
Are you aware of the Troubles and The Good Friday Agreement? There is a lot of history you seem to skip over. Ireland is considered part of the UK by some hardliners, keeping them out is the last thing you would want.
– Polygnome
3 hours ago
Are you aware of the Troubles and The Good Friday Agreement? There is a lot of history you seem to skip over. Ireland is considered part of the UK by some hardliners, keeping them out is the last thing you would want.
– Polygnome
3 hours ago
1
1
@Polygnome I'm not aware of anyone prominent who believes that the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK.
– Paul Johnson
54 mins ago
@Polygnome I'm not aware of anyone prominent who believes that the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK.
– Paul Johnson
54 mins ago
@PaulJohnson none that believe that it is, but some that believe it should be
– Caleth
24 mins ago
@PaulJohnson none that believe that it is, but some that believe it should be
– Caleth
24 mins ago
If I understand the conflict, I think there's a bigger chance that Ireland would build a wall if they could since they are the one that want to be independant.
– the_lotus
5 mins ago
If I understand the conflict, I think there's a bigger chance that Ireland would build a wall if they could since they are the one that want to be independant.
– the_lotus
5 mins ago
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Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. In the US that is immigrants, particularly from South America. In the UK it's the EU, specifically the institution, and migrants from eastern Europe.
So in the UK there is no need for a wall to keep Irish people out. In fact, since the Irish border issue jeopardises the whole thing, it's vitally important that it is resolved, and since no-one wants a hard border and the existence of one would likely harm the UK and may even lead to a break up of the union (with Northern Ireland leaving), they do not desire a wall.
answered 3 hours ago
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Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
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I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
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Neither side want a border there at all. They just disagree as to how many countries should exist on the British Isles. If you asked someone from the UK if they need a wall to keep people out, they might laugh, and say "We already have a moat"
The extreme of one side want an independant Ireland to be the whole of one island, and don't care about the other islands.
The extreme of the other side want everything to be one country. In living memory it was.
Note that "Trump's acolytes in the UK" is a misnomer. There are UK politicians who have similar political opinions to US politicians, but "acolyte" implies working for an overlord.
I doubt Trump would advocate for spending piles of money on something no-one wants. From appearences, he is not personally against migration, legal or otherwise, but recognises that it can be politically useful to describe Mexico -> USA immigration as "a problem that needs a big solution".
Now he might say "Oh we will soon have some wall building experience, we can help you with this", but the audience for that statement is US people who want the Mexico wall, and presumably don't care about the exact situation being described. Saying things like that doesn't mean he thinks building a wall in Ireland is a good idea.
answered 3 hours ago
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This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
2
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
2
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
1
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
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2 Answers
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Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. In the US that is immigrants, particularly from South America. In the UK it's the EU, specifically the institution, and migrants from eastern Europe.
So in the UK there is no need for a wall to keep Irish people out. In fact, since the Irish border issue jeopardises the whole thing, it's vitally important that it is resolved, and since no-one wants a hard border and the existence of one would likely harm the UK and may even lead to a break up of the union (with Northern Ireland leaving), they do not desire a wall.
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
1
I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
add a comment |
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. In the US that is immigrants, particularly from South America. In the UK it's the EU, specifically the institution, and migrants from eastern Europe.
So in the UK there is no need for a wall to keep Irish people out. In fact, since the Irish border issue jeopardises the whole thing, it's vitally important that it is resolved, and since no-one wants a hard border and the existence of one would likely harm the UK and may even lead to a break up of the union (with Northern Ireland leaving), they do not desire a wall.
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
1
I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
add a comment |
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. In the US that is immigrants, particularly from South America. In the UK it's the EU, specifically the institution, and migrants from eastern Europe.
So in the UK there is no need for a wall to keep Irish people out. In fact, since the Irish border issue jeopardises the whole thing, it's vitally important that it is resolved, and since no-one wants a hard border and the existence of one would likely harm the UK and may even lead to a break up of the union (with Northern Ireland leaving), they do not desire a wall.
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. In the US that is immigrants, particularly from South America. In the UK it's the EU, specifically the institution, and migrants from eastern Europe.
So in the UK there is no need for a wall to keep Irish people out. In fact, since the Irish border issue jeopardises the whole thing, it's vitally important that it is resolved, and since no-one wants a hard border and the existence of one would likely harm the UK and may even lead to a break up of the union (with Northern Ireland leaving), they do not desire a wall.
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
answered 3 hours ago
user
6,49121330
6,49121330
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
1
I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
add a comment |
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
1
I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
Populists assign blame for all your problems to some group, typically one without a voice to counter their claims. => This explains a whole lot of seemingly incoherent behavior on the part of populist movements, or leaders.
– Matthieu M.
38 mins ago
1
1
I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
I've downvoted this answer for its mischaracterization of populism in the United States.
– Drunk Cynic
26 mins ago
add a comment |
Neither side want a border there at all. They just disagree as to how many countries should exist on the British Isles. If you asked someone from the UK if they need a wall to keep people out, they might laugh, and say "We already have a moat"
The extreme of one side want an independant Ireland to be the whole of one island, and don't care about the other islands.
The extreme of the other side want everything to be one country. In living memory it was.
Note that "Trump's acolytes in the UK" is a misnomer. There are UK politicians who have similar political opinions to US politicians, but "acolyte" implies working for an overlord.
I doubt Trump would advocate for spending piles of money on something no-one wants. From appearences, he is not personally against migration, legal or otherwise, but recognises that it can be politically useful to describe Mexico -> USA immigration as "a problem that needs a big solution".
Now he might say "Oh we will soon have some wall building experience, we can help you with this", but the audience for that statement is US people who want the Mexico wall, and presumably don't care about the exact situation being described. Saying things like that doesn't mean he thinks building a wall in Ireland is a good idea.
answered 3 hours ago
Caleth
73858
1
This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
2
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
2
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
1
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Neither side want a border there at all. They just disagree as to how many countries should exist on the British Isles. If you asked someone from the UK if they need a wall to keep people out, they might laugh, and say "We already have a moat"
The extreme of one side want an independant Ireland to be the whole of one island, and don't care about the other islands.
The extreme of the other side want everything to be one country. In living memory it was.
Note that "Trump's acolytes in the UK" is a misnomer. There are UK politicians who have similar political opinions to US politicians, but "acolyte" implies working for an overlord.
I doubt Trump would advocate for spending piles of money on something no-one wants. From appearences, he is not personally against migration, legal or otherwise, but recognises that it can be politically useful to describe Mexico -> USA immigration as "a problem that needs a big solution".
Now he might say "Oh we will soon have some wall building experience, we can help you with this", but the audience for that statement is US people who want the Mexico wall, and presumably don't care about the exact situation being described. Saying things like that doesn't mean he thinks building a wall in Ireland is a good idea.
answered 3 hours ago
Caleth
73858
1
This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
2
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
2
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
1
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Neither side want a border there at all. They just disagree as to how many countries should exist on the British Isles. If you asked someone from the UK if they need a wall to keep people out, they might laugh, and say "We already have a moat"
The extreme of one side want an independant Ireland to be the whole of one island, and don't care about the other islands.
The extreme of the other side want everything to be one country. In living memory it was.
Note that "Trump's acolytes in the UK" is a misnomer. There are UK politicians who have similar political opinions to US politicians, but "acolyte" implies working for an overlord.
I doubt Trump would advocate for spending piles of money on something no-one wants. From appearences, he is not personally against migration, legal or otherwise, but recognises that it can be politically useful to describe Mexico -> USA immigration as "a problem that needs a big solution".
Now he might say "Oh we will soon have some wall building experience, we can help you with this", but the audience for that statement is US people who want the Mexico wall, and presumably don't care about the exact situation being described. Saying things like that doesn't mean he thinks building a wall in Ireland is a good idea.
answered 3 hours ago
Caleth
73858
Neither side want a border there at all. They just disagree as to how many countries should exist on the British Isles. If you asked someone from the UK if they need a wall to keep people out, they might laugh, and say "We already have a moat"
The extreme of one side want an independant Ireland to be the whole of one island, and don't care about the other islands.
The extreme of the other side want everything to be one country. In living memory it was.
Note that "Trump's acolytes in the UK" is a misnomer. There are UK politicians who have similar political opinions to US politicians, but "acolyte" implies working for an overlord.
I doubt Trump would advocate for spending piles of money on something no-one wants. From appearences, he is not personally against migration, legal or otherwise, but recognises that it can be politically useful to describe Mexico -> USA immigration as "a problem that needs a big solution".
Now he might say "Oh we will soon have some wall building experience, we can help you with this", but the audience for that statement is US people who want the Mexico wall, and presumably don't care about the exact situation being described. Saying things like that doesn't mean he thinks building a wall in Ireland is a good idea.
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This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
2
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
2
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
1
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
add a comment |
1
This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
2
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
2
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
1
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
1
1
This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
This is more a defence of Trump than an answer to the actual question.
– user
1 hour ago
2
2
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
@user, the OP asks "if Trump were involved" and that means trying to understand his thought process is part of the answer. That will become either a defense or bashing, depending on what one thinks about Trump.
– o.m.
1 hour ago
2
2
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
@user I'm only saying that Trump is acting in his own interests. Is that defending him? In my opinion, the worst thing about Trump is that he isn't crazy
– Caleth
1 hour ago
1
1
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
@user I read the answer as "he shut down the government and hurt the American people, not in order to achieve anything meaningful, but as a campaign ad", which isn't a particularly compelling defense for Trump.
– Peter
1 hour ago
add a comment |
2
Are you aware of the Troubles and The Good Friday Agreement? There is a lot of history you seem to skip over. Ireland is considered part of the UK by some hardliners, keeping them out is the last thing you would want.
– Polygnome
3 hours ago
1
@Polygnome I'm not aware of anyone prominent who believes that the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK.
– Paul Johnson
54 mins ago
@PaulJohnson none that believe that it is, but some that believe it should be
– Caleth
24 mins ago
If I understand the conflict, I think there's a bigger chance that Ireland would build a wall if they could since they are the one that want to be independant.
– the_lotus
5 mins ago