How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?
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A few months ago, we hired a new temporary worker, Joe. Joe does not have a car so I offered to share the ride with him 4 times per day, which is about 45 km daily. I asked for 4€/day. Joe's salary was 28% higher than mine.
Joe then negotiated a new salary which is now 39% higher than mine. And I now feel like a driver.
Joe doesn't have a driver's license or a car. He said that he had no utility for a car nor time to learn.
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A few months ago, we hired a new temporary worker, Joe. Joe does not have a car so I offered to share the ride with him 4 times per day, which is about 45 km daily. I asked for 4€/day. Joe's salary was 28% higher than mine.
Joe then negotiated a new salary which is now 39% higher than mine. And I now feel like a driver.
Joe doesn't have a driver's license or a car. He said that he had no utility for a car nor time to learn.
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– Snow♦
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@xdtTransform, I'm afraid I do not quite understand what you mean. What I'm asking is : do you want to stop carpooling, or do you want to stop carpooling under those conditions ?
– breversa
21 hours ago
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4 times a day? I don't understand. Home to work in the morning and work to home in the afternoon - do you go home for lunch or something?
– d-b
8 hours ago
You say since the pay rise you feel like a driver. Actually you are the driver but that isn't bad by default. Why / how does this pay rise affect your attitude towards driving him?
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A few months ago, we hired a new temporary worker, Joe. Joe does not have a car so I offered to share the ride with him 4 times per day, which is about 45 km daily. I asked for 4€/day. Joe's salary was 28% higher than mine.
Joe then negotiated a new salary which is now 39% higher than mine. And I now feel like a driver.
Joe doesn't have a driver's license or a car. He said that he had no utility for a car nor time to learn.
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A few months ago, we hired a new temporary worker, Joe. Joe does not have a car so I offered to share the ride with him 4 times per day, which is about 45 km daily. I asked for 4€/day. Joe's salary was 28% higher than mine.
Joe then negotiated a new salary which is now 39% higher than mine. And I now feel like a driver.
Joe doesn't have a driver's license or a car. He said that he had no utility for a car nor time to learn.
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@xdtTransform, I'm afraid I do not quite understand what you mean. What I'm asking is : do you want to stop carpooling, or do you want to stop carpooling under those conditions ?
– breversa
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4 times a day? I don't understand. Home to work in the morning and work to home in the afternoon - do you go home for lunch or something?
– d-b
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You say since the pay rise you feel like a driver. Actually you are the driver but that isn't bad by default. Why / how does this pay rise affect your attitude towards driving him?
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– Snow♦
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@xdtTransform, I'm afraid I do not quite understand what you mean. What I'm asking is : do you want to stop carpooling, or do you want to stop carpooling under those conditions ?
– breversa
21 hours ago
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4 times a day? I don't understand. Home to work in the morning and work to home in the afternoon - do you go home for lunch or something?
– d-b
8 hours ago
You say since the pay rise you feel like a driver. Actually you are the driver but that isn't bad by default. Why / how does this pay rise affect your attitude towards driving him?
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@xdtTransform, I'm afraid I do not quite understand what you mean. What I'm asking is : do you want to stop carpooling, or do you want to stop carpooling under those conditions ?
– breversa
21 hours ago
@xdtTransform, I'm afraid I do not quite understand what you mean. What I'm asking is : do you want to stop carpooling, or do you want to stop carpooling under those conditions ?
– breversa
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4 times a day? I don't understand. Home to work in the morning and work to home in the afternoon - do you go home for lunch or something?
– d-b
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4 times a day? I don't understand. Home to work in the morning and work to home in the afternoon - do you go home for lunch or something?
– d-b
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You say since the pay rise you feel like a driver. Actually you are the driver but that isn't bad by default. Why / how does this pay rise affect your attitude towards driving him?
– puck
3 hours ago
You say since the pay rise you feel like a driver. Actually you are the driver but that isn't bad by default. Why / how does this pay rise affect your attitude towards driving him?
– puck
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Joe doesn't have a driving license nor a car. He had said that he had
no utility for a car nor time to learn
He does have utility now. He found a job that is more than 20Km from his house. He found somebody to drive him that charges far less than the cost of public transportation.
The idea of car pooling is to share the costs of commuting. In many cases people take turns driving, so that the gas usage is similar as is the impact of wear and tear on their cars. In cases where shared duties isn't possible the non-driver should be expected to pay more than a token amount.
You mentioned that you drive him 4 times a day, then you mention in a comment about getting something to eat. If you are driving for food because of your coworker, that is the easiest one to stop. If you don't need to go out, you aren't obligated to drive them.
As to the morning and evening commute, don't mention his salary. It shouldn't make a difference. Tell them that as a permanent employee now is the time to adjust the arrangement if the driving is to be a long term activity. Then discuss how a fair price should be determined: actual costs, saved money, compensation for schedule adjustments.
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Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
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More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
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I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
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@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
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@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
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How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?
Provide notice
Allow for a transition period, ending your sharing Friday, two weeks from now.
Simple state your goal
"I want to stop the ride sharing soon,"
Avoid negotiation
Given your situation, there is little for you to gain.
Avoid salary discussions
It is not part of how to end the car sharing. It may be part of your "why", but now part of how to end things.
Do not change any existing sharing costs
Just say its time to stop and provide a grace period for your rider some time to adjust.
Remember this is also a business relationship. Someday, you may find professional value with this temp's contacts. No need to burn a bridge, just stop paying the toll.
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The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
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@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
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@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
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@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
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2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
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Just tell him you do not want to share a ride anymore. Do not mention the salary gap. If he asks for a reason, say that you do not feel like it. If he is rude and pushes the subject, say that you want the freedom and to be alone in your car.
You are certainly free to do this whenever you want. You can, but do not have to, offer to continue the arrangement until the end of the week so your coworker have time to research other ways to get to work.
As for your daily fee, I think it sounds fair (maybe a bit low). Joe should at a minimum pay half of the real costs associated with the drive, including fuel, insurance and depreciation.
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@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
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@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
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@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
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Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
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The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
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If it's your car you can just tell him he'll need to organise his own transport. No explanation is needed.
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Don't go any extra mile for him, but let him ride
If I get your question correctly, the problem is that you feel like a personal driver.
In a comment you say that the way is 90% shared.
I suggest you stop picking up your colleague at his place and instead pick him up at a bus stop that is on your way to work anyway.
Do not adjust your schedule for him. You drive when you need to wake up/ leave the company, not when he has to.
Obviously, you should make these changes with reasonably warning period that he can adjust to them (See the other answers).
This way you probably will no longer feel like his driver but like an equal colleague who does a friend a favour.
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Consider this from his perspective.
- He's temporary.
- He has no driver's license, so this means that he is a first time
driver. As a first time driver, his insurance rates will be higher
and he would require more coverage unless he has the income to
purchase a car outright, depending on where you both live.
Presumably, it also means that he has less credit unless he's built
his credit up via other means. - Regardless of his salary, he presumably would feel that he only owes the minimum to cover the cost of gasoline and wear and tear. If he was the CEO of your company, I would still say that covering the minimum is fair enough.
It makes no sense, financially, for a temporary worker to get a car simply for the purpose of temporary work. Suddenly he's going to add a heavy burden to his monthly expenses for temporary work where after that work is done, he'll still have to bear those costs and he'll be less mobile in his decision making processes. It may be that he was aggressive for his salary because his work is temporary, and he's making sure his financial status isn't compromised.
Perhaps you can consider this before you stop sharing your ride.
That being said, since you mentioned getting food, I would suggest stopping that. It's nice enough to bring him to work. You're not obligated to take people out for lunch every day. Of course, you're also not obligated to take someone to work, either.
To answer your original question, you can arrange someone else to carpool with him, or you can continue to ride with him and give him some time to adjust. Depending on the duration of the drive, perhaps Uber or public transportation would be okay, and your employer could also possibly give him a voucher for those, which is a separate conversation.
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– xdtTransform
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You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
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You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
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@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
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Firstly, it is your car and your time. If you don't want the other person to ride with you, you can do what @Kilisi suggests.
Secondly, consider being a little just and honorable and rise above this petty thinking. Instead of denying the ride to another person because he now earns more, you should try to learn good negotiation from him.
I must emphasize, I'm not telling you to become his driver. Only telling you to not act small.
The problem is not what he is/was earning. The problem is in your way of thinking.
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I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
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@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
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@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
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It seems like you have a lot of answers and although they have merit they seem like they could make things unfriendly at work or even possibly hurt your career.
- You were helping a new coworker out.
- You don't want to do this anymore.
- You don't want to make coworker mad as he seems to have decent clout at company
- You don't want to piss off other coworkers who might think of you as vindictive for stopping the help because he got a promotion.
So how do you get out of being his chaufeur (it's not carpooling if you are doing everything) and keep your standing with this coworker and others at your work. I am assuming if you act like an ass to the coworker he will gossip - this seems like a logical way a person would act when they are too lazy to even attempt at making their own transportation.
So my advice... lie... fib.
You need an excuse to get out of this. No way you should mention salary increase or promotion - don't even kind of hint at it.
You need to be somewhere in the morning or right after work, at least two days a week and rather soon - maybe in 2-3 weeks. I will give you an example but you can tailor this more to meet your personality and lifestyle and bonus if your friend does not like the things you choose.
"Hey Joe, I am starting a new gym in two weeks and will be going there in the mornings at least twice a week. Unfortunately it is not near where you live and I feel bad but you will need to get a ride these days."
Now Joe can go all different ways with this. He could just buck up and understand you are not his ride anymore because you want to work out and you are 100% good with Joe and coworkers.
Joe could do something leachy like say "I don't mind hanging out at the gym." You have to be all in on this. So tell him that you are going at some ungodly time in the morning. Hell you might have to go once or twice then. I mean it could literally be anything so do something you enjoy. Make Joe's feel like he is having to live your life - which he should if he is bumming a ride this long (paying you gas money is no excuse). If Joe wants to keep this scenario up... well going to the gym in the morning makes you hungry... need to stop at a supermarket on the way home... shoot forgot to mail that letter, post office too.
The fact is you don't have a choice here because you don't have a good excuse other than you think that Joe is leaching and you are getting jealous of Joe. If you tell Joe this in the nicest humanly way possible you can still greatly offend Joe which may cause problems at your workplace.
You need a "reason" and that can be whatever you want, that you are unable to keep giving Joe a ride. And you can act as thoughtless as you want. It is far better that Joe whines to people about you being thoughtless and not thinking of him when you joined the gym (will probably make Joe out as the whiner and you the prince) than Joe making fun of you for being his jealous cheufeur. Just make sure you not giving him a ride is about you and not about Joe. Be selfish or thoughtless but don't diss Joe personally.
Personally, lying is terrible advice.
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Just offer him to pay for gas. I think it will be more than he's paying now.
If he agrees, I think it's good deal.
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Ask him for a favor (I do not know what), will feel proximity and gonna fall behind.
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Simple facts,
OP is feeling like a servant
OP is doing a huge favor for the rider for no reason whatsoever
rider is taking advantage of OP financially
rider is now taking it for granted - the most impolite of all behaviors
and arguably the rider is being plain rude (stating that rider has "no utility! for a car!" is a remarkable thing to say, given 1, 2, 3, 4)
"How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?"
Like this ...
"Ah Steve, I will not be able to give you a ride any more - sorry about that! So, this mornings ride would be the last one. Cheers."
If - incredibly, beyond all belief - Steve then asks "Why?"
(So, Steve is the rudest person existing in the universe.)
Your response language would be,
"Yeah sorry. It's not convenient any more. I hope you work something out."
If you are really want to say more, the language would be:
"Yeah sorry. I've had some personal changes, and it's not convenient for me any more. I hope you work something out. Good luck."
That's it.
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"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
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I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
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"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
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It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
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Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
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Joe doesn't have a driving license nor a car. He had said that he had
no utility for a car nor time to learn
He does have utility now. He found a job that is more than 20Km from his house. He found somebody to drive him that charges far less than the cost of public transportation.
The idea of car pooling is to share the costs of commuting. In many cases people take turns driving, so that the gas usage is similar as is the impact of wear and tear on their cars. In cases where shared duties isn't possible the non-driver should be expected to pay more than a token amount.
You mentioned that you drive him 4 times a day, then you mention in a comment about getting something to eat. If you are driving for food because of your coworker, that is the easiest one to stop. If you don't need to go out, you aren't obligated to drive them.
As to the morning and evening commute, don't mention his salary. It shouldn't make a difference. Tell them that as a permanent employee now is the time to adjust the arrangement if the driving is to be a long term activity. Then discuss how a fair price should be determined: actual costs, saved money, compensation for schedule adjustments.
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Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
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More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
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I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
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@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
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@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
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Joe doesn't have a driving license nor a car. He had said that he had
no utility for a car nor time to learn
He does have utility now. He found a job that is more than 20Km from his house. He found somebody to drive him that charges far less than the cost of public transportation.
The idea of car pooling is to share the costs of commuting. In many cases people take turns driving, so that the gas usage is similar as is the impact of wear and tear on their cars. In cases where shared duties isn't possible the non-driver should be expected to pay more than a token amount.
You mentioned that you drive him 4 times a day, then you mention in a comment about getting something to eat. If you are driving for food because of your coworker, that is the easiest one to stop. If you don't need to go out, you aren't obligated to drive them.
As to the morning and evening commute, don't mention his salary. It shouldn't make a difference. Tell them that as a permanent employee now is the time to adjust the arrangement if the driving is to be a long term activity. Then discuss how a fair price should be determined: actual costs, saved money, compensation for schedule adjustments.
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Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
yesterday
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More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
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I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
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@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
15 hours ago
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@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
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Joe doesn't have a driving license nor a car. He had said that he had
no utility for a car nor time to learn
He does have utility now. He found a job that is more than 20Km from his house. He found somebody to drive him that charges far less than the cost of public transportation.
The idea of car pooling is to share the costs of commuting. In many cases people take turns driving, so that the gas usage is similar as is the impact of wear and tear on their cars. In cases where shared duties isn't possible the non-driver should be expected to pay more than a token amount.
You mentioned that you drive him 4 times a day, then you mention in a comment about getting something to eat. If you are driving for food because of your coworker, that is the easiest one to stop. If you don't need to go out, you aren't obligated to drive them.
As to the morning and evening commute, don't mention his salary. It shouldn't make a difference. Tell them that as a permanent employee now is the time to adjust the arrangement if the driving is to be a long term activity. Then discuss how a fair price should be determined: actual costs, saved money, compensation for schedule adjustments.
Joe doesn't have a driving license nor a car. He had said that he had
no utility for a car nor time to learn
He does have utility now. He found a job that is more than 20Km from his house. He found somebody to drive him that charges far less than the cost of public transportation.
The idea of car pooling is to share the costs of commuting. In many cases people take turns driving, so that the gas usage is similar as is the impact of wear and tear on their cars. In cases where shared duties isn't possible the non-driver should be expected to pay more than a token amount.
You mentioned that you drive him 4 times a day, then you mention in a comment about getting something to eat. If you are driving for food because of your coworker, that is the easiest one to stop. If you don't need to go out, you aren't obligated to drive them.
As to the morning and evening commute, don't mention his salary. It shouldn't make a difference. Tell them that as a permanent employee now is the time to adjust the arrangement if the driving is to be a long term activity. Then discuss how a fair price should be determined: actual costs, saved money, compensation for schedule adjustments.
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Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
yesterday
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More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
yesterday
I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
yesterday
@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
15 hours ago
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@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
– David Thornley
10 hours ago
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Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
yesterday
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More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
yesterday
I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
yesterday
@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
15 hours ago
2
@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
– David Thornley
10 hours ago
53
53
Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
yesterday
Agreed. Your costs don't increase because he makes more money. If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation. You could tell him that you no longer want to carpool, but that'll leave you with 80eu a month less (assuming 4 weeks of 5 days)
– Martijn
yesterday
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6
More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
yesterday
More like 11km away from home, surely?
– Tim
yesterday
I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
yesterday
I guess the actual question is "How to tell ...". I've provided the language needed in an answer.
– Fattie
yesterday
@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
15 hours ago
@Martijn "If 4€/day covers you're extra costs you get a fair compensation" I disagree. fair compensation should be 50% of usual cost + 4/day usual cost including tax, insurance, fuel etc. given that it's not shared at all
– UKMonkey
15 hours ago
2
2
@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
– David Thornley
10 hours ago
@Martijn From a business perspective, while the costs presumably haven't changed, the ride is now more valuable to Joe. OP is now providing a more valuable service. Also, since they're both getting the use of the car, and OP is providing extra services by driving and maintaining the car, splitting the cost as opposed to just "extra expenses" seems fair.
– David Thornley
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How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?
Provide notice
Allow for a transition period, ending your sharing Friday, two weeks from now.
Simple state your goal
"I want to stop the ride sharing soon,"
Avoid negotiation
Given your situation, there is little for you to gain.
Avoid salary discussions
It is not part of how to end the car sharing. It may be part of your "why", but now part of how to end things.
Do not change any existing sharing costs
Just say its time to stop and provide a grace period for your rider some time to adjust.
Remember this is also a business relationship. Someday, you may find professional value with this temp's contacts. No need to burn a bridge, just stop paying the toll.
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The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
yesterday
12
@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
19 hours ago
2
@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
15 hours ago
1
@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
14 hours ago
1
2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
9 hours ago
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How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?
Provide notice
Allow for a transition period, ending your sharing Friday, two weeks from now.
Simple state your goal
"I want to stop the ride sharing soon,"
Avoid negotiation
Given your situation, there is little for you to gain.
Avoid salary discussions
It is not part of how to end the car sharing. It may be part of your "why", but now part of how to end things.
Do not change any existing sharing costs
Just say its time to stop and provide a grace period for your rider some time to adjust.
Remember this is also a business relationship. Someday, you may find professional value with this temp's contacts. No need to burn a bridge, just stop paying the toll.
New contributor
34
The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
yesterday
12
@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
19 hours ago
2
@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
15 hours ago
1
@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
14 hours ago
1
2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
9 hours ago
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up vote
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up vote
80
down vote
How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?
Provide notice
Allow for a transition period, ending your sharing Friday, two weeks from now.
Simple state your goal
"I want to stop the ride sharing soon,"
Avoid negotiation
Given your situation, there is little for you to gain.
Avoid salary discussions
It is not part of how to end the car sharing. It may be part of your "why", but now part of how to end things.
Do not change any existing sharing costs
Just say its time to stop and provide a grace period for your rider some time to adjust.
Remember this is also a business relationship. Someday, you may find professional value with this temp's contacts. No need to burn a bridge, just stop paying the toll.
New contributor
How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?
Provide notice
Allow for a transition period, ending your sharing Friday, two weeks from now.
Simple state your goal
"I want to stop the ride sharing soon,"
Avoid negotiation
Given your situation, there is little for you to gain.
Avoid salary discussions
It is not part of how to end the car sharing. It may be part of your "why", but now part of how to end things.
Do not change any existing sharing costs
Just say its time to stop and provide a grace period for your rider some time to adjust.
Remember this is also a business relationship. Someday, you may find professional value with this temp's contacts. No need to burn a bridge, just stop paying the toll.
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The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
yesterday
12
@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
19 hours ago
2
@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
15 hours ago
1
@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
14 hours ago
1
2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
9 hours ago
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The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
yesterday
12
@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
19 hours ago
2
@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
15 hours ago
1
@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
14 hours ago
1
2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
9 hours ago
34
34
The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
yesterday
The point of a grace period seems to be missed on many of the other answers..
– Rozwel
yesterday
12
12
@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
19 hours ago
@Fattie taht really depends on the circumstances. If there is no reasonable public transportation available then two days for his coworker to finance and buy a new car is a really short time. I think 2 Weeks is not unreasonable.
– Falco
19 hours ago
2
2
@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
15 hours ago
@Tom it's not OP's job to drive his coworker for the next 6 months while he learns how to drive and gets his license. I think 2 weeks is more than reasonable.
– JeffC
15 hours ago
1
1
@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
14 hours ago
@Tom No, you said "The other person doesn't know how to drive" to which I responded that it's not OP's job to carry him while he does learn how to drive. From what I can gather, OP's co-worker doesn't know how to drive/doesn't have a driver's license. I'm assuming that's all not going to get rectified in 2 weeks... more like 6 months... which is why I stated such. What am I missing?
– JeffC
14 hours ago
1
1
2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
9 hours ago
2 weeks? It's not a new job or a new house. I would assume Joe has a backup plan in case the OP falls ill. So a couple days should be more than enough.
– IMil
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Just tell him you do not want to share a ride anymore. Do not mention the salary gap. If he asks for a reason, say that you do not feel like it. If he is rude and pushes the subject, say that you want the freedom and to be alone in your car.
You are certainly free to do this whenever you want. You can, but do not have to, offer to continue the arrangement until the end of the week so your coworker have time to research other ways to get to work.
As for your daily fee, I think it sounds fair (maybe a bit low). Joe should at a minimum pay half of the real costs associated with the drive, including fuel, insurance and depreciation.
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@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
yesterday
3
@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
yesterday
11
@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
yesterday
3
Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
yesterday
3
The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
– Emil Vikström
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Just tell him you do not want to share a ride anymore. Do not mention the salary gap. If he asks for a reason, say that you do not feel like it. If he is rude and pushes the subject, say that you want the freedom and to be alone in your car.
You are certainly free to do this whenever you want. You can, but do not have to, offer to continue the arrangement until the end of the week so your coworker have time to research other ways to get to work.
As for your daily fee, I think it sounds fair (maybe a bit low). Joe should at a minimum pay half of the real costs associated with the drive, including fuel, insurance and depreciation.
4
@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
yesterday
3
@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
yesterday
11
@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
yesterday
3
Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
yesterday
3
The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
– Emil Vikström
yesterday
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Just tell him you do not want to share a ride anymore. Do not mention the salary gap. If he asks for a reason, say that you do not feel like it. If he is rude and pushes the subject, say that you want the freedom and to be alone in your car.
You are certainly free to do this whenever you want. You can, but do not have to, offer to continue the arrangement until the end of the week so your coworker have time to research other ways to get to work.
As for your daily fee, I think it sounds fair (maybe a bit low). Joe should at a minimum pay half of the real costs associated with the drive, including fuel, insurance and depreciation.
Just tell him you do not want to share a ride anymore. Do not mention the salary gap. If he asks for a reason, say that you do not feel like it. If he is rude and pushes the subject, say that you want the freedom and to be alone in your car.
You are certainly free to do this whenever you want. You can, but do not have to, offer to continue the arrangement until the end of the week so your coworker have time to research other ways to get to work.
As for your daily fee, I think it sounds fair (maybe a bit low). Joe should at a minimum pay half of the real costs associated with the drive, including fuel, insurance and depreciation.
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@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
yesterday
3
@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
yesterday
11
@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
yesterday
3
Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
yesterday
3
The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
– Emil Vikström
yesterday
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@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
yesterday
3
@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
yesterday
11
@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
yesterday
3
Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
yesterday
3
The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
– Emil Vikström
yesterday
4
4
@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
yesterday
@Tim - if the guy had his own car, that would just be another part of the costs he would have to shoulder. Since he doesn't have his own, why should anyone else have to pay for that. It's part of motoring's cost, just like insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. And the guy would appear to have his own chauffeur, thrown in free.
– Tim
yesterday
3
3
@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
yesterday
@Tim - the more people you have in a car, the more wear it takes. Spills, wearing out upholstery, working the door lateches - everything adds up. You take someone's daily driver, put a new driver's seat in it, maybe a nice steering wheel cover, and replace the driver's door latch mechanism, and it's practically new (When I was young and poor I did this a couple times). Someone's "bus" was significantly more work to bring back to good condition. Thus its value was much lower.
– Wesley Long
yesterday
11
11
@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
yesterday
@WesleyLong - which Tim are you aiming the comment at?! This is where Stack Exchange needs to clear up names!
– Tim
yesterday
3
3
Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
yesterday
Joe does add to the depreciation. Maybe the carpet and seat on the passenger side would be pristine if Joe didn't occupy it so often... And I bet he never cleans the dirt from that side!
– Tim
yesterday
3
3
The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
– Emil Vikström
yesterday
The value of a car is partly defined by number of miles it has been driven. Depreciation is therefore tied to number of miles. It is also fair to say that if Joe owned a car himself he would have to pay for depreciation. Going to extremes it would even be fair to ask for as much as Joe is prepared to pay, regardless of your own costs (this is how we set prices in the rest of society after all).
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If it's your car you can just tell him he'll need to organise his own transport. No explanation is needed.
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If it's your car you can just tell him he'll need to organise his own transport. No explanation is needed.
If it's your car you can just tell him he'll need to organise his own transport. No explanation is needed.
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Don't go any extra mile for him, but let him ride
If I get your question correctly, the problem is that you feel like a personal driver.
In a comment you say that the way is 90% shared.
I suggest you stop picking up your colleague at his place and instead pick him up at a bus stop that is on your way to work anyway.
Do not adjust your schedule for him. You drive when you need to wake up/ leave the company, not when he has to.
Obviously, you should make these changes with reasonably warning period that he can adjust to them (See the other answers).
This way you probably will no longer feel like his driver but like an equal colleague who does a friend a favour.
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Don't go any extra mile for him, but let him ride
If I get your question correctly, the problem is that you feel like a personal driver.
In a comment you say that the way is 90% shared.
I suggest you stop picking up your colleague at his place and instead pick him up at a bus stop that is on your way to work anyway.
Do not adjust your schedule for him. You drive when you need to wake up/ leave the company, not when he has to.
Obviously, you should make these changes with reasonably warning period that he can adjust to them (See the other answers).
This way you probably will no longer feel like his driver but like an equal colleague who does a friend a favour.
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Don't go any extra mile for him, but let him ride
If I get your question correctly, the problem is that you feel like a personal driver.
In a comment you say that the way is 90% shared.
I suggest you stop picking up your colleague at his place and instead pick him up at a bus stop that is on your way to work anyway.
Do not adjust your schedule for him. You drive when you need to wake up/ leave the company, not when he has to.
Obviously, you should make these changes with reasonably warning period that he can adjust to them (See the other answers).
This way you probably will no longer feel like his driver but like an equal colleague who does a friend a favour.
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Don't go any extra mile for him, but let him ride
If I get your question correctly, the problem is that you feel like a personal driver.
In a comment you say that the way is 90% shared.
I suggest you stop picking up your colleague at his place and instead pick him up at a bus stop that is on your way to work anyway.
Do not adjust your schedule for him. You drive when you need to wake up/ leave the company, not when he has to.
Obviously, you should make these changes with reasonably warning period that he can adjust to them (See the other answers).
This way you probably will no longer feel like his driver but like an equal colleague who does a friend a favour.
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Consider this from his perspective.
- He's temporary.
- He has no driver's license, so this means that he is a first time
driver. As a first time driver, his insurance rates will be higher
and he would require more coverage unless he has the income to
purchase a car outright, depending on where you both live.
Presumably, it also means that he has less credit unless he's built
his credit up via other means. - Regardless of his salary, he presumably would feel that he only owes the minimum to cover the cost of gasoline and wear and tear. If he was the CEO of your company, I would still say that covering the minimum is fair enough.
It makes no sense, financially, for a temporary worker to get a car simply for the purpose of temporary work. Suddenly he's going to add a heavy burden to his monthly expenses for temporary work where after that work is done, he'll still have to bear those costs and he'll be less mobile in his decision making processes. It may be that he was aggressive for his salary because his work is temporary, and he's making sure his financial status isn't compromised.
Perhaps you can consider this before you stop sharing your ride.
That being said, since you mentioned getting food, I would suggest stopping that. It's nice enough to bring him to work. You're not obligated to take people out for lunch every day. Of course, you're also not obligated to take someone to work, either.
To answer your original question, you can arrange someone else to carpool with him, or you can continue to ride with him and give him some time to adjust. Depending on the duration of the drive, perhaps Uber or public transportation would be okay, and your employer could also possibly give him a voucher for those, which is a separate conversation.
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– xdtTransform
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You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
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You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
yesterday
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@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
yesterday
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
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Consider this from his perspective.
- He's temporary.
- He has no driver's license, so this means that he is a first time
driver. As a first time driver, his insurance rates will be higher
and he would require more coverage unless he has the income to
purchase a car outright, depending on where you both live.
Presumably, it also means that he has less credit unless he's built
his credit up via other means. - Regardless of his salary, he presumably would feel that he only owes the minimum to cover the cost of gasoline and wear and tear. If he was the CEO of your company, I would still say that covering the minimum is fair enough.
It makes no sense, financially, for a temporary worker to get a car simply for the purpose of temporary work. Suddenly he's going to add a heavy burden to his monthly expenses for temporary work where after that work is done, he'll still have to bear those costs and he'll be less mobile in his decision making processes. It may be that he was aggressive for his salary because his work is temporary, and he's making sure his financial status isn't compromised.
Perhaps you can consider this before you stop sharing your ride.
That being said, since you mentioned getting food, I would suggest stopping that. It's nice enough to bring him to work. You're not obligated to take people out for lunch every day. Of course, you're also not obligated to take someone to work, either.
To answer your original question, you can arrange someone else to carpool with him, or you can continue to ride with him and give him some time to adjust. Depending on the duration of the drive, perhaps Uber or public transportation would be okay, and your employer could also possibly give him a voucher for those, which is a separate conversation.
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– xdtTransform
yesterday
20
You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
8
You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
yesterday
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@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
yesterday
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
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Consider this from his perspective.
- He's temporary.
- He has no driver's license, so this means that he is a first time
driver. As a first time driver, his insurance rates will be higher
and he would require more coverage unless he has the income to
purchase a car outright, depending on where you both live.
Presumably, it also means that he has less credit unless he's built
his credit up via other means. - Regardless of his salary, he presumably would feel that he only owes the minimum to cover the cost of gasoline and wear and tear. If he was the CEO of your company, I would still say that covering the minimum is fair enough.
It makes no sense, financially, for a temporary worker to get a car simply for the purpose of temporary work. Suddenly he's going to add a heavy burden to his monthly expenses for temporary work where after that work is done, he'll still have to bear those costs and he'll be less mobile in his decision making processes. It may be that he was aggressive for his salary because his work is temporary, and he's making sure his financial status isn't compromised.
Perhaps you can consider this before you stop sharing your ride.
That being said, since you mentioned getting food, I would suggest stopping that. It's nice enough to bring him to work. You're not obligated to take people out for lunch every day. Of course, you're also not obligated to take someone to work, either.
To answer your original question, you can arrange someone else to carpool with him, or you can continue to ride with him and give him some time to adjust. Depending on the duration of the drive, perhaps Uber or public transportation would be okay, and your employer could also possibly give him a voucher for those, which is a separate conversation.
Consider this from his perspective.
- He's temporary.
- He has no driver's license, so this means that he is a first time
driver. As a first time driver, his insurance rates will be higher
and he would require more coverage unless he has the income to
purchase a car outright, depending on where you both live.
Presumably, it also means that he has less credit unless he's built
his credit up via other means. - Regardless of his salary, he presumably would feel that he only owes the minimum to cover the cost of gasoline and wear and tear. If he was the CEO of your company, I would still say that covering the minimum is fair enough.
It makes no sense, financially, for a temporary worker to get a car simply for the purpose of temporary work. Suddenly he's going to add a heavy burden to his monthly expenses for temporary work where after that work is done, he'll still have to bear those costs and he'll be less mobile in his decision making processes. It may be that he was aggressive for his salary because his work is temporary, and he's making sure his financial status isn't compromised.
Perhaps you can consider this before you stop sharing your ride.
That being said, since you mentioned getting food, I would suggest stopping that. It's nice enough to bring him to work. You're not obligated to take people out for lunch every day. Of course, you're also not obligated to take someone to work, either.
To answer your original question, you can arrange someone else to carpool with him, or you can continue to ride with him and give him some time to adjust. Depending on the duration of the drive, perhaps Uber or public transportation would be okay, and your employer could also possibly give him a voucher for those, which is a separate conversation.
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– xdtTransform
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You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
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You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
yesterday
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@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
yesterday
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
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– xdtTransform
yesterday
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You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
8
You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
yesterday
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@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
yesterday
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
– The Anathema
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Thanks, for the other side.
– xdtTransform
yesterday
Thanks, for the other side.
– xdtTransform
yesterday
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You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
You can consider this from his perspective and still be pragmatic: he has no car and yet he accepted a job (was it temporary) 25km away from him, without knowing he will have a carpool alternative. Somehow this guy must have accepted the initial travel conditions, whatever they were...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
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You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
yesterday
You are implying an obligation to drive him to work. There isn't. The driver is not a professional driver, he's a co-worker. As a co-worker, he does not bear any of the burden of getting this co-worker or any other co-worker to work.
– Mohair
yesterday
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@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
yesterday
@LaurentS. The post doesn't specify. This offer could have been made during the interview process. That is quite common. OP can expand on that if needed.
– The Anathema
yesterday
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
– The Anathema
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@Mohair No, I did not imply that.
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Firstly, it is your car and your time. If you don't want the other person to ride with you, you can do what @Kilisi suggests.
Secondly, consider being a little just and honorable and rise above this petty thinking. Instead of denying the ride to another person because he now earns more, you should try to learn good negotiation from him.
I must emphasize, I'm not telling you to become his driver. Only telling you to not act small.
The problem is not what he is/was earning. The problem is in your way of thinking.
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I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
20 hours ago
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@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
18 hours ago
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@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
13 hours ago
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Firstly, it is your car and your time. If you don't want the other person to ride with you, you can do what @Kilisi suggests.
Secondly, consider being a little just and honorable and rise above this petty thinking. Instead of denying the ride to another person because he now earns more, you should try to learn good negotiation from him.
I must emphasize, I'm not telling you to become his driver. Only telling you to not act small.
The problem is not what he is/was earning. The problem is in your way of thinking.
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I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
20 hours ago
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@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
18 hours ago
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@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
13 hours ago
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Firstly, it is your car and your time. If you don't want the other person to ride with you, you can do what @Kilisi suggests.
Secondly, consider being a little just and honorable and rise above this petty thinking. Instead of denying the ride to another person because he now earns more, you should try to learn good negotiation from him.
I must emphasize, I'm not telling you to become his driver. Only telling you to not act small.
The problem is not what he is/was earning. The problem is in your way of thinking.
Firstly, it is your car and your time. If you don't want the other person to ride with you, you can do what @Kilisi suggests.
Secondly, consider being a little just and honorable and rise above this petty thinking. Instead of denying the ride to another person because he now earns more, you should try to learn good negotiation from him.
I must emphasize, I'm not telling you to become his driver. Only telling you to not act small.
The problem is not what he is/was earning. The problem is in your way of thinking.
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I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
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@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
18 hours ago
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@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
13 hours ago
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I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
20 hours ago
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@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
18 hours ago
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@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
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I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
20 hours ago
I don't get this. The riding guy is now making (even more!) money so there is no reason at all someone who is struggling along on a much lower salary should be helping out. Second, our OP has explicitly stated it makes OP "feel like a driver". (OP means a servant.) That's HORRIBLE. Who, the heck, would bum a ride every day with someone if it's making the person feel like a servant. Thirdly the rider is basically Rude - "has no utility for a car nor time to learn". (!) What a bizarre/rude thing to say. I don't see the OP is acting small, the OP is just being walked over by a rude person.
– Fattie
20 hours ago
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@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [1/2] What did the other person exactly do to make OP feel horrible? Negotiated his own salary? If another person's salary is going to make you feel horrible then you are bound to feel horrible for the rest of your life. There will always be someone who will make more than you. Why doesn't OP instead go to his manager and ask for a salary that he think he deserves?
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
18 hours ago
@Fattie: [2/2] Further, if the OP feels bad that his fellow rider thinks that he can use OP as a driver, then he can tell him to learn driving so that they both can cooperate and be helpful to each other. IMO that is more mature response.
– displayName
18 hours ago
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@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
13 hours ago
@Fattie between this and your own answer, you seem think OP has told their coworker they want to stop and the coworker is pushing back. Why do you think that? From my perspective, the coworker has no reason to believe that OP is unhappy with their arrangement. Why do you think the coworker knows OP feels like a servant? Why is the coworkers salary relevant to any of this? From my perspective, OP and the coworker arranged something amenable to both, and now OP wants to stop. Why does that mean that the coworker is somehow in the wrong here?
– Lord Farquaad
13 hours ago
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It seems like you have a lot of answers and although they have merit they seem like they could make things unfriendly at work or even possibly hurt your career.
- You were helping a new coworker out.
- You don't want to do this anymore.
- You don't want to make coworker mad as he seems to have decent clout at company
- You don't want to piss off other coworkers who might think of you as vindictive for stopping the help because he got a promotion.
So how do you get out of being his chaufeur (it's not carpooling if you are doing everything) and keep your standing with this coworker and others at your work. I am assuming if you act like an ass to the coworker he will gossip - this seems like a logical way a person would act when they are too lazy to even attempt at making their own transportation.
So my advice... lie... fib.
You need an excuse to get out of this. No way you should mention salary increase or promotion - don't even kind of hint at it.
You need to be somewhere in the morning or right after work, at least two days a week and rather soon - maybe in 2-3 weeks. I will give you an example but you can tailor this more to meet your personality and lifestyle and bonus if your friend does not like the things you choose.
"Hey Joe, I am starting a new gym in two weeks and will be going there in the mornings at least twice a week. Unfortunately it is not near where you live and I feel bad but you will need to get a ride these days."
Now Joe can go all different ways with this. He could just buck up and understand you are not his ride anymore because you want to work out and you are 100% good with Joe and coworkers.
Joe could do something leachy like say "I don't mind hanging out at the gym." You have to be all in on this. So tell him that you are going at some ungodly time in the morning. Hell you might have to go once or twice then. I mean it could literally be anything so do something you enjoy. Make Joe's feel like he is having to live your life - which he should if he is bumming a ride this long (paying you gas money is no excuse). If Joe wants to keep this scenario up... well going to the gym in the morning makes you hungry... need to stop at a supermarket on the way home... shoot forgot to mail that letter, post office too.
The fact is you don't have a choice here because you don't have a good excuse other than you think that Joe is leaching and you are getting jealous of Joe. If you tell Joe this in the nicest humanly way possible you can still greatly offend Joe which may cause problems at your workplace.
You need a "reason" and that can be whatever you want, that you are unable to keep giving Joe a ride. And you can act as thoughtless as you want. It is far better that Joe whines to people about you being thoughtless and not thinking of him when you joined the gym (will probably make Joe out as the whiner and you the prince) than Joe making fun of you for being his jealous cheufeur. Just make sure you not giving him a ride is about you and not about Joe. Be selfish or thoughtless but don't diss Joe personally.
Personally, lying is terrible advice.
– Wayne Werner
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It seems like you have a lot of answers and although they have merit they seem like they could make things unfriendly at work or even possibly hurt your career.
- You were helping a new coworker out.
- You don't want to do this anymore.
- You don't want to make coworker mad as he seems to have decent clout at company
- You don't want to piss off other coworkers who might think of you as vindictive for stopping the help because he got a promotion.
So how do you get out of being his chaufeur (it's not carpooling if you are doing everything) and keep your standing with this coworker and others at your work. I am assuming if you act like an ass to the coworker he will gossip - this seems like a logical way a person would act when they are too lazy to even attempt at making their own transportation.
So my advice... lie... fib.
You need an excuse to get out of this. No way you should mention salary increase or promotion - don't even kind of hint at it.
You need to be somewhere in the morning or right after work, at least two days a week and rather soon - maybe in 2-3 weeks. I will give you an example but you can tailor this more to meet your personality and lifestyle and bonus if your friend does not like the things you choose.
"Hey Joe, I am starting a new gym in two weeks and will be going there in the mornings at least twice a week. Unfortunately it is not near where you live and I feel bad but you will need to get a ride these days."
Now Joe can go all different ways with this. He could just buck up and understand you are not his ride anymore because you want to work out and you are 100% good with Joe and coworkers.
Joe could do something leachy like say "I don't mind hanging out at the gym." You have to be all in on this. So tell him that you are going at some ungodly time in the morning. Hell you might have to go once or twice then. I mean it could literally be anything so do something you enjoy. Make Joe's feel like he is having to live your life - which he should if he is bumming a ride this long (paying you gas money is no excuse). If Joe wants to keep this scenario up... well going to the gym in the morning makes you hungry... need to stop at a supermarket on the way home... shoot forgot to mail that letter, post office too.
The fact is you don't have a choice here because you don't have a good excuse other than you think that Joe is leaching and you are getting jealous of Joe. If you tell Joe this in the nicest humanly way possible you can still greatly offend Joe which may cause problems at your workplace.
You need a "reason" and that can be whatever you want, that you are unable to keep giving Joe a ride. And you can act as thoughtless as you want. It is far better that Joe whines to people about you being thoughtless and not thinking of him when you joined the gym (will probably make Joe out as the whiner and you the prince) than Joe making fun of you for being his jealous cheufeur. Just make sure you not giving him a ride is about you and not about Joe. Be selfish or thoughtless but don't diss Joe personally.
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It seems like you have a lot of answers and although they have merit they seem like they could make things unfriendly at work or even possibly hurt your career.
- You were helping a new coworker out.
- You don't want to do this anymore.
- You don't want to make coworker mad as he seems to have decent clout at company
- You don't want to piss off other coworkers who might think of you as vindictive for stopping the help because he got a promotion.
So how do you get out of being his chaufeur (it's not carpooling if you are doing everything) and keep your standing with this coworker and others at your work. I am assuming if you act like an ass to the coworker he will gossip - this seems like a logical way a person would act when they are too lazy to even attempt at making their own transportation.
So my advice... lie... fib.
You need an excuse to get out of this. No way you should mention salary increase or promotion - don't even kind of hint at it.
You need to be somewhere in the morning or right after work, at least two days a week and rather soon - maybe in 2-3 weeks. I will give you an example but you can tailor this more to meet your personality and lifestyle and bonus if your friend does not like the things you choose.
"Hey Joe, I am starting a new gym in two weeks and will be going there in the mornings at least twice a week. Unfortunately it is not near where you live and I feel bad but you will need to get a ride these days."
Now Joe can go all different ways with this. He could just buck up and understand you are not his ride anymore because you want to work out and you are 100% good with Joe and coworkers.
Joe could do something leachy like say "I don't mind hanging out at the gym." You have to be all in on this. So tell him that you are going at some ungodly time in the morning. Hell you might have to go once or twice then. I mean it could literally be anything so do something you enjoy. Make Joe's feel like he is having to live your life - which he should if he is bumming a ride this long (paying you gas money is no excuse). If Joe wants to keep this scenario up... well going to the gym in the morning makes you hungry... need to stop at a supermarket on the way home... shoot forgot to mail that letter, post office too.
The fact is you don't have a choice here because you don't have a good excuse other than you think that Joe is leaching and you are getting jealous of Joe. If you tell Joe this in the nicest humanly way possible you can still greatly offend Joe which may cause problems at your workplace.
You need a "reason" and that can be whatever you want, that you are unable to keep giving Joe a ride. And you can act as thoughtless as you want. It is far better that Joe whines to people about you being thoughtless and not thinking of him when you joined the gym (will probably make Joe out as the whiner and you the prince) than Joe making fun of you for being his jealous cheufeur. Just make sure you not giving him a ride is about you and not about Joe. Be selfish or thoughtless but don't diss Joe personally.
It seems like you have a lot of answers and although they have merit they seem like they could make things unfriendly at work or even possibly hurt your career.
- You were helping a new coworker out.
- You don't want to do this anymore.
- You don't want to make coworker mad as he seems to have decent clout at company
- You don't want to piss off other coworkers who might think of you as vindictive for stopping the help because he got a promotion.
So how do you get out of being his chaufeur (it's not carpooling if you are doing everything) and keep your standing with this coworker and others at your work. I am assuming if you act like an ass to the coworker he will gossip - this seems like a logical way a person would act when they are too lazy to even attempt at making their own transportation.
So my advice... lie... fib.
You need an excuse to get out of this. No way you should mention salary increase or promotion - don't even kind of hint at it.
You need to be somewhere in the morning or right after work, at least two days a week and rather soon - maybe in 2-3 weeks. I will give you an example but you can tailor this more to meet your personality and lifestyle and bonus if your friend does not like the things you choose.
"Hey Joe, I am starting a new gym in two weeks and will be going there in the mornings at least twice a week. Unfortunately it is not near where you live and I feel bad but you will need to get a ride these days."
Now Joe can go all different ways with this. He could just buck up and understand you are not his ride anymore because you want to work out and you are 100% good with Joe and coworkers.
Joe could do something leachy like say "I don't mind hanging out at the gym." You have to be all in on this. So tell him that you are going at some ungodly time in the morning. Hell you might have to go once or twice then. I mean it could literally be anything so do something you enjoy. Make Joe's feel like he is having to live your life - which he should if he is bumming a ride this long (paying you gas money is no excuse). If Joe wants to keep this scenario up... well going to the gym in the morning makes you hungry... need to stop at a supermarket on the way home... shoot forgot to mail that letter, post office too.
The fact is you don't have a choice here because you don't have a good excuse other than you think that Joe is leaching and you are getting jealous of Joe. If you tell Joe this in the nicest humanly way possible you can still greatly offend Joe which may cause problems at your workplace.
You need a "reason" and that can be whatever you want, that you are unable to keep giving Joe a ride. And you can act as thoughtless as you want. It is far better that Joe whines to people about you being thoughtless and not thinking of him when you joined the gym (will probably make Joe out as the whiner and you the prince) than Joe making fun of you for being his jealous cheufeur. Just make sure you not giving him a ride is about you and not about Joe. Be selfish or thoughtless but don't diss Joe personally.
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Personally, lying is terrible advice.
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Personally, lying is terrible advice.
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Personally, lying is terrible advice.
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Just offer him to pay for gas. I think it will be more than he's paying now.
If he agrees, I think it's good deal.
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Just offer him to pay for gas. I think it will be more than he's paying now.
If he agrees, I think it's good deal.
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Just offer him to pay for gas. I think it will be more than he's paying now.
If he agrees, I think it's good deal.
Just offer him to pay for gas. I think it will be more than he's paying now.
If he agrees, I think it's good deal.
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Ask him for a favor (I do not know what), will feel proximity and gonna fall behind.
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Ask him for a favor (I do not know what), will feel proximity and gonna fall behind.
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Ask him for a favor (I do not know what), will feel proximity and gonna fall behind.
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Simple facts,
OP is feeling like a servant
OP is doing a huge favor for the rider for no reason whatsoever
rider is taking advantage of OP financially
rider is now taking it for granted - the most impolite of all behaviors
and arguably the rider is being plain rude (stating that rider has "no utility! for a car!" is a remarkable thing to say, given 1, 2, 3, 4)
"How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?"
Like this ...
"Ah Steve, I will not be able to give you a ride any more - sorry about that! So, this mornings ride would be the last one. Cheers."
If - incredibly, beyond all belief - Steve then asks "Why?"
(So, Steve is the rudest person existing in the universe.)
Your response language would be,
"Yeah sorry. It's not convenient any more. I hope you work something out."
If you are really want to say more, the language would be:
"Yeah sorry. I've had some personal changes, and it's not convenient for me any more. I hope you work something out. Good luck."
That's it.
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"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
23 hours ago
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I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
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"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
21 hours ago
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It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
20 hours ago
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Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
– Erik
20 hours ago
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Simple facts,
OP is feeling like a servant
OP is doing a huge favor for the rider for no reason whatsoever
rider is taking advantage of OP financially
rider is now taking it for granted - the most impolite of all behaviors
and arguably the rider is being plain rude (stating that rider has "no utility! for a car!" is a remarkable thing to say, given 1, 2, 3, 4)
"How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?"
Like this ...
"Ah Steve, I will not be able to give you a ride any more - sorry about that! So, this mornings ride would be the last one. Cheers."
If - incredibly, beyond all belief - Steve then asks "Why?"
(So, Steve is the rudest person existing in the universe.)
Your response language would be,
"Yeah sorry. It's not convenient any more. I hope you work something out."
If you are really want to say more, the language would be:
"Yeah sorry. I've had some personal changes, and it's not convenient for me any more. I hope you work something out. Good luck."
That's it.
16
"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
23 hours ago
11
I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
6
"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
21 hours ago
10
It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
20 hours ago
11
Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
– Erik
20 hours ago
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Simple facts,
OP is feeling like a servant
OP is doing a huge favor for the rider for no reason whatsoever
rider is taking advantage of OP financially
rider is now taking it for granted - the most impolite of all behaviors
and arguably the rider is being plain rude (stating that rider has "no utility! for a car!" is a remarkable thing to say, given 1, 2, 3, 4)
"How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?"
Like this ...
"Ah Steve, I will not be able to give you a ride any more - sorry about that! So, this mornings ride would be the last one. Cheers."
If - incredibly, beyond all belief - Steve then asks "Why?"
(So, Steve is the rudest person existing in the universe.)
Your response language would be,
"Yeah sorry. It's not convenient any more. I hope you work something out."
If you are really want to say more, the language would be:
"Yeah sorry. I've had some personal changes, and it's not convenient for me any more. I hope you work something out. Good luck."
That's it.
Simple facts,
OP is feeling like a servant
OP is doing a huge favor for the rider for no reason whatsoever
rider is taking advantage of OP financially
rider is now taking it for granted - the most impolite of all behaviors
and arguably the rider is being plain rude (stating that rider has "no utility! for a car!" is a remarkable thing to say, given 1, 2, 3, 4)
"How to tell a colleague that I want to stop sharing the ride?"
Like this ...
"Ah Steve, I will not be able to give you a ride any more - sorry about that! So, this mornings ride would be the last one. Cheers."
If - incredibly, beyond all belief - Steve then asks "Why?"
(So, Steve is the rudest person existing in the universe.)
Your response language would be,
"Yeah sorry. It's not convenient any more. I hope you work something out."
If you are really want to say more, the language would be:
"Yeah sorry. I've had some personal changes, and it's not convenient for me any more. I hope you work something out. Good luck."
That's it.
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answered yesterday
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"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
23 hours ago
11
I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
6
"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
21 hours ago
10
It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
20 hours ago
11
Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
– Erik
20 hours ago
|
show 13 more comments
16
"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
23 hours ago
11
I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
6
"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
21 hours ago
10
It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
20 hours ago
11
Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
– Erik
20 hours ago
16
16
"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
23 hours ago
"This morning was the last time. Cheers." So you'd propose to drive him to work and then strand him there? Since Joe has come to rely on this arrangement, a warning period before ending it seems appropriate, so he can look for alternate transportation. Absent egregious circumstances, the warning period should at least encompass the ride home.
– Zach Lipton
23 hours ago
11
11
I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
I am in total support of personal liberty and I’m not down voting it but I disagree with this answer entirely. This answer is so rude and unnecessary that the excuse of “professionalism” will not be able to save it.
– displayName
23 hours ago
6
6
"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
21 hours ago
"Which part is rude?" The bit where you suggested saying "This morning was the last time." (And "This evening was the last time." would only be very marginally better.)
– Martin Bonner
21 hours ago
10
10
It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
20 hours ago
It wouldn't be incredibly rude for Steve to ask why you can't give him a lift to work any more if you're giving him absolutely no notice of the change to the long-standing arrangement - if anything, him asking "why" could come from him being concerned that something bad had happened which caused you to so abruptly change your arrangement.
– ultrafez
20 hours ago
11
11
Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
– Erik
20 hours ago
Suddenly ending a long-term mutual agreement (that even includes compensation) with zero warning is very rude. This isn't an occasional favor that you're not going to render anymore.
– Erik
20 hours ago
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@xdtTransform, I'm afraid I do not quite understand what you mean. What I'm asking is : do you want to stop carpooling, or do you want to stop carpooling under those conditions ?
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4 times a day? I don't understand. Home to work in the morning and work to home in the afternoon - do you go home for lunch or something?
– d-b
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You say since the pay rise you feel like a driver. Actually you are the driver but that isn't bad by default. Why / how does this pay rise affect your attitude towards driving him?
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