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I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?










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      I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?










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      I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?







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          Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
          $$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
          so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.






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            This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:



            $$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$



            The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.






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            • It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
              – Bill Dubuque
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            • @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
              – Barry Cipra
              3 hours ago


















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            Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.



            First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$



            So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
            Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$



            This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$



            $73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.



            For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.






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              Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
              $$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
              so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.






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                Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
                $$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
                so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.






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                  Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
                  $$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
                  so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.






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                  Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
                  $$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
                  so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.







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                      This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:



                      $$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$



                      The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.






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                      • It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
                        – Bill Dubuque
                        4 hours ago










                      • @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
                        – Barry Cipra
                        3 hours ago















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                      This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:



                      $$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$



                      The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.






                      share|cite|improve this answer





















                      • It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
                        – Bill Dubuque
                        4 hours ago










                      • @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
                        – Barry Cipra
                        3 hours ago













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                      This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:



                      $$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$



                      The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.






                      share|cite|improve this answer












                      This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:



                      $$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$



                      The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.







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                      answered 5 hours ago









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                      • It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
                        – Bill Dubuque
                        4 hours ago










                      • @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
                        – Barry Cipra
                        3 hours ago


















                      • It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
                        – Bill Dubuque
                        4 hours ago










                      • @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
                        – Barry Cipra
                        3 hours ago
















                      It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
                      – Bill Dubuque
                      4 hours ago




                      It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
                      – Bill Dubuque
                      4 hours ago












                      @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
                      – Barry Cipra
                      3 hours ago




                      @BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
                      – Barry Cipra
                      3 hours ago










                      up vote
                      2
                      down vote













                      Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.



                      First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$



                      So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
                      Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$



                      This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$



                      $73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.



                      For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.






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                        Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.



                        First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$



                        So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
                        Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$



                        This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$



                        $73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.



                        For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.






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                          Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.



                          First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$



                          So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
                          Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$



                          This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$



                          $73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.



                          For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.






                          share|cite|improve this answer












                          Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.



                          First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$



                          So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
                          Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$



                          This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$



                          $73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.



                          For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.







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