Use Fermat's Theorem to prove 10001 is composite
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I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?
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I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?
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I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?
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I need to use Fermat's Theorem to prove that 10001 is not prime. I understand that I just need to find a counterexample where $a^{10000}$ mod 10001 = 1 mod 10001 does not hold true, but this seems kind of difficult with such large numbers. Any ideas?
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Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
$$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.
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This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:
$$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$
The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.
It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
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Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.
First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$
So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$
This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$
$73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.
For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.
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Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
$$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.
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Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
$$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.
add a comment |
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Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
$$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.
Fermat pseudoprimes to any given base are really very rare, so you might as well just launch in with $2$ and hope for the best. This is a bit tedious but perfectly doable by repeated squaring:
$$10000 = 2^{13}+2^{10}+2^9+2^8+2^4$$
so you just need to keep on squaring $2$ (modulo $10001$) thirteen times.
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This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:
$$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$
The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.
It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
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This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:
$$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$
The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.
It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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up vote
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This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:
$$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$
The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.
This is a bit of a cheat, but another theorem of Fermat's says that $10001$ cannot be prime because it has two different representations as a sum of two squares:
$$10001=100^2+1^2=65^2+76^2$$
The "cheat" here is that, while $100^2+1^2$ is easy enough to spot, finding the other sum of two squares involved almost as much work as searching for the factors themselves would have taken.
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It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
add a comment |
It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
It really is cheating - being at least as hard as factoring, since it immediately yields the factors via $ gcd(100001, 76 pm 65cdot 100) = 137,,73. $ Maybe that explains the downvote (not from me).
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
@BillDubuque, agreed. Nice way to get the factors.
– Barry Cipra
3 hours ago
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2
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Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.
First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$
So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$
This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$
$73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.
For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.
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2
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Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.
First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$
So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$
This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$
$73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.
For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.
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up vote
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Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.
First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$
So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$
This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$
$73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.
For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.
Another method, also based on Fermat's little theorem, is the following.
First notice $$10001=10^4+1=frac{10^8-1}{10^4-1}$$
So finding a prime factor of $10^8-1$ that is not also a factor of $10^4-1$ is enough. The prime factors of $10^4-1$ are easy to determine even by hand calculation : $3,11,101$
Another prime dividing $10^8-1$ must be of the form $8k+1$
This is because the smallest positive integer $k$ with $ 10^kequiv 1mod q $ (the order of $10$ modulo $q$) is $8$ and Fermat's little theorem gives $ 10^{q-1}equiv 1mod q $ which shows $8mid q-1$. So, we only need to verify the primes of the form $8k+1$. The first three are $17,41,73$
$73$ turns out to divide $10001$ and proves that $10001$ is composite.
For a bit larger numbers (but not too large) of a special form this method should be superior to the direct calculation of the power.
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